Desert Storm - 20 years ago, back to the present

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Skybird

As far as I know the British MoD is no customer of theirs and so Brittitanic vehicles have a tough stand in SBP modelling.

I haven't been following SBP scene for a while, but if I recall, none of their real customers use Abrams either. Or am I wrong?

Also, they have apparently added / will be adding T-72 to the game as playable now?

Gee, I really need to update my status after 2007.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Damn, from what I saw of the video, id love to have a copy of the professional version.

As far as I know the major difference between the army version and the civilian version of the Pro is that the army version has "instructor mode" where the officer overseeing the exercise can create sudden fun stuff such as blowing up half of your platoon just because he feels like it. The simulation itself is the same.

Edit: Bah, ninjaed. Oh well, Skybird likely has more accurate information on this subject than I do anyway.

[Ducimus]

Damn ill have to check that out. Years and years ago I did have an interest in Tank sims. (Which was shortly after my dying interest in flight sims. Never could land for squat )

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

(Which was shortly after my dying interest in flight sims. Never could land for squat )

That's no excuse. After all, it's never stopped Oberon.*












*It's usually the ground that does that. Bazinga!

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

That's no excuse. After all, it's never stopped Oberon.*

You didn't see the Flight Sim I was playing.....


I tried 4.0 later. I sucked at it, and lost interest.

When i said, years and years ago, i wasn't kidding. ;P

[Oberon]

pfft, I've been crashing planes since this:



And Jim says Steel Beasts graphics are dated

Fully copy on the MoD, they can be quite the paranoid lot at times, and yet their masters leave their copies of MoD documents on benches at the park, gotta love them. Haven't heard the term Britannic used to describe British vehicles since the days of the Redcoats, and they probably couldn't spell it then either.

One day I'd like to give Steel Beasts a whirl, it's just the price tag that's stopped me so far, but one day once I've got all the peripherals sorted, I will have to save up and give it a bash, I haven't had a good tank sim since my embarrassingly bad days at M1 Tank Platoon 2 (which I keep referring to as M1A2 for some reason ).

I wonder if I can co-opt Task Force to be my gunner, we make a good driver/gunner team on Red Orchestra Real Panzer server

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

pfft, I've been crashing planes since this:



And Jim says Steel Beasts graphics are dated

Oh I can go back a lot further than that...AH64 Apache for the spectrum...so old nobody has posted it

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Damn ill have to check that out. Years and years ago I did have an interest in Tank sims. (Which was shortly after my dying interest in flight sims. Never could land for squat )

Check the MP mission videos done by Zipuli, especially "Brave Rifles" part 1-6, wich was Hannover or Fulda Gap cold war battle - 1 hours of video covering 24 hours of battle. Quite some drama happened in there!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Check the MP mission videos done by Zipuli, especially "Brave Rifles" part 1-6, wich was Hannover or Fulda Gap cold war battle - 1 hours of video covering 24 hours of battle. Quite some drama happened in there!

That's bookmarked, I love those Fulda Gap scenarios.

[Krauter]

I thought Canada only ran Leo's and not Abrams

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Krauter

I thought Canada only ran Leo's and not Abrams

Öh... äh... you seem to be correct. Think I was misled by a docu piece sopme time ago where they said that the big neighbour in Canada's south does not like the Canadians to buy foreign, and would want them to buy more American.

I am sure that they tested and considered the Abrams, however, since in the past 8 years Canada planned to replace its aging Leo-1 fleet. They wanted to go for Strykers with 105 mm guns, but then came Afghanistan and forced them to rethink their plan, and so they started to buy used Leo-2A4s, and leased Leo-2A6, modified, for immediate deployment to Afghanistan, where the tanks urpassed Canadian expecations, they said. The plan to pass on new tanks and go for the CV-90-120 also was scrapped.

A factor that decided in faovur of the Leo-2 A4s and A6s was quick availability, however.

[Skybird]

New video, telling two battle stories:


When Fins do sound recordings, they are serious:

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I haven't been following SBP scene for a while, but if I recall, none of their real customers use Abrams either. Or am I wrong?

Canada uses both Leopards (1's and 2's) and Abrams, and Australia uses Abrams in small quantities, replacing their old Leo-1AS, or did they go for the Leo-2 as well?

Also, they have apparently added / will be adding T-72 to the game as playable now?

Yes. With 3D interior.

And while we're at it, the Abrams as playable is not new, but so far it was the old M1 only. The M1A1 and SEP were added last year, but non-playable, the M1A1 now is playable with 3D interior, too. The old Leopard 2A4
finally got 3D interior as well. The Challenger 2 was added in last update, but non-playable, it is now being turned into playable, but without 3D interior (TC and gunner only have all their sights available, like the Leo2A4 before.

Full vehicle list in the SBP resources, there are 17 MBTs now (some definitely cold war era), plus 60+ other vehicles (APCs, IFVs, cars, trucks, new upgrade not counted, helicopters and infantry not counted). Of the MBTs, 11 are playable now. Two dozens of the other vehicles are playable as well.

Edit: Bah, ninjaed. Oh well, Skybird likely has more accurate information on this subject than I do anyway.

I know not more than what they make public, and what I know from using the sim since years.

Tanksim forum has a thread listing the major news on the upgrade's content. Centurions, for example, or Boxer, Fuchs, 2S1, ZSU-23, new bridge layer options, and 3D infantry. Mannable ATGMs also is new. Plus the usual package of bug fixing. They said they are still not done with revealing all new candy - more to come, that means.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Canada uses both Leopards (1's and 2's) and Abrams, and Australia use Abrams in small quantities, or not?

Aus has phased out the Leopard Is for M1A2s and they're looking to get some TUSKs too IIRC. They use diesel instead of kerosene, but that's the beauty of the Abrams, you can throw just about anything in its engine and it'll still whisper its way into battle.
They still use the venerable Shoebox too, it's amazing how they're still slugging on after all these years. Shows what a good design it is, good, cheap, robust and rugged.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aus has phased out the Leopard Is for M1A2s and they're looking to get some TUSKs too IIRC. They use diesel instead of kerosene, but that's the beauty of the Abrams, you can throw just about anything in its engine and it'll still whisper its way into battle.

Like with the Leopard, which is said to even run with salad oil, if only you have sufficient supply of that. Just that the Abams's turbine is much more thirsty than a Diesel-engine. The Russians, after the T-80, gave up again on turbine-run tanks.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Like with the Leopard, which is said to even run with salad oil, if only you have sufficient supply of that. Just that the Abams's turbine is much more thirsty than a Diesel-engine. The Russians, after the T-80, gave up again on turbine-run tanks.

Well, you know Americans and their gas-guzzlers