2 diesels out of 4 destroyed = stuck for the rest of your life?

dwinar · 10-21-11, 07:13 PM

The other 2 engines were damaged a bit too, that was easy to repair. Nearest port is Manila, about 1800 nm to the south west from my position. And the recharging batteries would be so cool, but I can't while diesels don't want to cooperate. And seriously, two diesels can't move this piece of floating junk? I need to learn something about real subs. At least I know it's not a bug.

Sailor Steve · 10-21-11, 09:26 PM

Unfortunately SH4 shows 4 diesels, but they are paired off so you really only have two engines.

dwinar · 10-22-11, 06:52 AM

Thanks for replies. Now I think I understand, the game sees engines practically as 2 modules (left and right) and in this case I lost 50% of left engine and 50% of right so technically both engines are destroyed. That's why I can't get 2-3 knots just 0 :P

Rockin Robbins · 10-22-11, 01:54 PM

That is correct. The dev crew for SH4 wasn't the same people as worked on SH3 so there were parts of the game engine that they either had to use as-is, or completely rewrite from scratch.

The U-Boat had 2 engines and that was a part written by a dev member who didn't make the transition. The SH4 dev crew didn't know how it worked so couldn't change it. They went with what they had and fudged the output to make it look like a submarine when it was just a U-Boat.

Daniel Prates · 10-24-11, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Unfortunately SH4 shows 4 diesels, but they are paired off so you really only have two engines.

Oh so if you have two of them destroyed, but they are the two paired ones (meaning you still have one intact pair remaining), you can still keep going?

Sailor Steve · 10-24-11, 09:01 AM

That's my understanding, but RR probably knows more about it.

Rockin Robbins · 10-24-11, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Oh so if you have two of them destroyed, but they are the two paired ones (meaning you still have one intact pair remaining), you can still keep going?

Yes, that is exactly correct. If you have one right engine destroyed you lose both right engines. If you have two right engines destroyed you lose both right engines.

For game engine (let's confuse terms completely

) terms, the two right and the two left engines are one and one.

I'll resist the urge to say that this is proof that the revolutionary method of game production is just a tragic comedy and that it needs to be replaced by an evolutionary method, where you retain dev crews for a given franchise and evolve the game for all players. There shouldn't BE a Silent Hunter 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, just a constantly evolving and updated Silent Hunter. The game company shouldn't have to deep six their games six weeks after release, disbanding the dev crews and using valuable programming talent as "nothing special" cogs in a mindless machine. Game companies shouldn't sell the game outright, then never see another penny from a game. That's lunacy. The game companies are losing 50% of their potential income stream (I'm being WAY conservative) and we are losing any further progress in game quality.

What if we bought cable television like that? We'd only be able to watch the 200 shows our box came with, forever. When we called the cable company with a problem they'd just say, "Buy the new box!" People would say "this system sucks, but NOBODY is going to pay a monthly fee for cable television." And I'd be on their forum saying there's got to be a better way. Why not have people pay a monthly fee and have new shows constantly rotating in? NAW! THAT WOULD NEVER WORK...........

Daniel Prates · 10-24-11, 10:56 AM

Hum. The engines are not numbered in the components list. Is there a way to know which is which?

Oh and by the way RR, concerning your consumers' complaints... hell yeah!

Daniel Prates · 10-24-11, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Hum. The engines are not numbered in the components list.

Correction: they are. Sorry, I just had a moment of dumbassness.

Elder-Pirate · 10-24-11, 04:25 PM

WOW, if someone could write a new code to make each diesel engine its own separate unit and totally be by itself in the game, that would be enough of a mod by itself.

Surely someone is smart enough to do this and do it legality.

10-21-11, 09:26 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Unfortunately SH4 shows 4 diesels, but they are paired off so you really only have two engines. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-22-11, 01:54 PM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	That is correct. The dev crew for SH4 wasn't the same people as worked on SH3 so there were parts of the game engine that they either had to use as-is, or completely rewrite from scratch. The U-Boat had 2 engines and that was a part written by a dev member who didn't make the transition. The SH4 dev crew didn't know how it worked so couldn't change it. They went with what they had and fudged the output to make it look like a submarine when it was just a U-Boat. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-24-11, 09:01 AM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	That's my understanding, but RR probably knows more about it. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-24-11, 04:25 PM	#10
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	WOW, if someone could write a new code to make each diesel engine its own separate unit and totally be by itself in the game, that would be enough of a mod by itself. Surely someone is smart enough to do this and do it legality. __________________

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10-21-11, 07:13 PM	#1
dwinar Nub Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The other 2 engines were damaged a bit too, that was easy to repair. Nearest port is Manila, about 1800 nm to the south west from my position. And the recharging batteries would be so cool, but I can't while diesels don't want to cooperate. And seriously, two diesels can't move this piece of floating junk? I need to learn something about real subs. At least I know it's not a bug.

10-22-11, 06:52 AM	#3
dwinar Nub Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for replies. Now I think I understand, the game sees engines practically as 2 modules (left and right) and in this case I lost 50% of left engine and 50% of right so technically both engines are destroyed. That's why I can't get 2-3 knots just 0 :P

10-24-11, 10:56 AM	#8
Daniel Prates Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Curitiba, Brazil Posts: 938 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	Hum. The engines are not numbered in the components list. Is there a way to know which is which? Oh and by the way RR, concerning your consumers' complaints... hell yeah!