Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Yes Mr. Warhawk I agree here. Zucotti park is privately owned, they should not try to take ownership.

But...

The list of demands given is fair. It would go a long way to bring justice...Which deep down inside is all we all want. Even if you see them as pinko commy traitors, dirty lazy Obama and Ron Paul voters, you realize their gripe has merit behind it.

They are fair demands. Thieves should go to jail. To bail out the banks was vile. you do that, you may as well bail out all the moron homeowners too.

Too much favoritism when it came to giving out aid...Glass-Steagall would have prevented most of this to big to fail mess.

Accountability. If the underwater homeowner must have it, then why should not the banks who packaged debt, sold it, then bet against the derivatives and made a killing from it.

Then got bailed out, and got performance bonuses?

Fair demands? Saying the government should just let the students loans go? What about my kids in a few year when they go to college and need a loan? Do they get the high hard one or a free ride like these folks want? Moron home owners? Yes, there are a few. How about the other morons who did not default on their home loans? Another high hard one? You bet'cha. Underwater homeowners do not have accountability. They are walking without much recourse. Some who can afford their homes are walking as a result of upside down loans. The picture is much bigger than performance bonuses and failed policy concerning lending money to of all things....a bank.

Gordon Gecko is not going to cutting checks. The protest is getting as stale as the park itself. They should be camping out on the mall in Washington. Not Wall Street.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Gordon Gecko is not going to cutting checks. The protest is getting as stale as the park itself. They should be camping out on the mall in Washington. Not Wall Street.

Exactly...DC is the problem, and I have said that alot here..
But it seems everyone who hates them inexplicably glosses over the other demands on that list. Glass-steagall? Breaking up too big to fails? Flash trading? Justice for fraudster bansters who got rewarded for breaking the worlds economy?

Sure just read what you hate and harp on that one point only, to invalidate the ones that are relevant. (Works for Fox News and MSNBC)

Why are you so in favor of the status quo? (honestly, you don't think something is wrong here?)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Why are you so in favor of the status quo?

This is what I don't get either. It's like it would be poison for some people to admit that the government is corrupt and money holds more say than a person's vote. That's the root of the whole protest, but for some reason, people buy into the smears that it's about communism or a bunch of lazy people wanting free stuff.

The people with their hand on the throat of democracy and true capitalism in this country feel threatened by the protests. They can only maintain their grip so long as nobody points it out. When it's pointed out, they put out a story that these people are communists or socialists or whatever in order to divert the attention away from themselves. And the rubes lap it up and spew it back at anyone who dares say that the protesters have a point. Unbelievable.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

This is what I don't get either. It's like it would be poison for some people to admit that the government is corrupt and money holds more say than a person's vote. That's the root of the whole protest, but for some reason, people buy into the smears that it's about communism or a bunch of lazy people wanting free stuff.

The people with their hand on the throat of democracy and true capitalism in this country feel threatened by the protests. They can only maintain their grip so long as nobody points it out. When it's pointed out, they put out a story that these people are communists or socialists or whatever in order to divert the attention away from themselves. And the rubes lap it up and spew it back at anyone who dares say that the protesters have a point. Unbelievable.

What unbelievable is how you always go right for the personal insults. "Rubes"? Do you really think your rudeness is going to win you any allies among the middle class? I mean the real middle class, not the union guy who thinks that sweeping the floor ought to provide a "living wage" or the Ivy league college student who has absolutely no conception of what it takes to hold down a job?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

What unbelievable is how you always go right for the personal insults. "Rubes"? Do you really think your rudeness is going to win you any allies among the middle class? I mean the real middle class, not the union guy who thinks that sweeping the floor ought to provide a "living wage" or the Ivy league college student who has absolutely no conception of what it takes to hold down a job?

"Always" Hah. And you "always" mischaracterize and strawman the other person's argument. But I stand by my opinion that anyone against getting Wall Street money out of Congress and bringing back real capitalism and ending corporate welfare is deserving of being called a much nastier name than "rube."

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

"Always" Hah. And you "always" mischaracterize and strawman the other person's argument. But I stand by my opinion that anyone against getting Wall Street money out of Congress and bringing back real capitalism and ending corporate welfare is deserving of being called a much nastier name than "rube."

Ok maybe "always" is an exaggeration but in this thread alone you have called those who you disagree with you rubes, idiots, malicious, ludicrous, butthurt, yahoos and a joke.

Heck your first comment about that Coulter article I posted was "the mangled blood coughs of a rhetorical emphysemic on her last bits of lung". I had to press you for you to give a decent answer that wasn't filled with personal insult and invective.

Not to mention the fact that your side constantly refers to "the rich" like they were united in their beliefs and practices. That's not a mischaracterization of them? Saying "they" are all out to steal your money, that's not a strawman?

Whatever. You just keep alienating potential supporters. We'll see what nastier names you can call us when your movement fails.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

We'll see what nastier names you can call us when your movement fails.

I'll ask you why you hate democracy and capitalism so much and wish to see them fail.

Originally Posted by soopaman2

(Forget Bloomberg news, Owned by the mayor of New York City, a wall Street Billionairre...Great mayor though)

Actually they do a pretty good job balancing their op-eds on both sides.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Heck your first comment about that Coulter article I posted was "the mangled blood coughs of a rhetorical emphysemic on her last bits of lung". I had to press you for you to give a decent answer that wasn't filled with personal insult and invective.

But personal insult and invective are Coulter's stock-in-trade. She brings out the worst in people, even good folks like Mookie.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Exactly...DC is the problem, and I have said that alot here..
But it seems everyone who hates them inexplicably glosses over the other demands on that list. Glass-steagall? Breaking up too big to fails? Flash trading? Justice for fraudster bansters who got rewarded for breaking the worlds economy?

Sure just read what you hate and harp on that one point only, to invalidate the ones that are relevant. (Works for Fox News and MSNBC)

Why are you so in favor of the status quo? (honestly, you don't think something is wrong here?)

Really guy? In favor of status quo? You are participating in the Cain threat driving the Libs crazy correct? Honestly, there is something wrong here...at PA Ave. Wall St is like a kid given a lollipop. They ate it all without sharing. What did Washington expect when they handed the lollipop to banks?

My issue is protesting at Wall St make very little sense and you agree as well. However, do these folks believe Wall St is going to do anything? Do you think Obama who embraced the protest is going to do anything? No sir...status quo is what is going to happen.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

My issue is protesting at Wall St make very little sense and you agree as well. However, do these folks believe Wall St is going to do anything? Do you think Obama who embraced the protest is going to do anything? No sir...status quo is what is going to happen.

The first step is speaking up. Nothing else can happen unless people speak up.

Really guy? In favor of status quo? You are participating in the Cain threat driving the Libs crazy correct?

And don't you understand that it is more of the same with Cain?
More of the same on steroids, his "change" is to go further along the path that got you where you are. Cain isn't status quo he is doubleplusstatusquo

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

And don't you understand that it is more of the same with Cain?
More of the same on steroids, his "change" is to go further along the path that got you where you are. Cain isn't status quo he is doubleplusstatusquo

Yes, but little less steroids than the other running who are part of the status quo. A little less than the establishment. At this point I would vote in Gumby.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes, but little less steroids than the other running who are part of the status quo. A little less than the establishment. At this point I would vote in Gumby.

Can I ask you to respectfully reconsider changing your vote?
Mr. Hand is running for senate and will fillibuster anything Gumby tries to do. With a firm "smash"

Vote for Lady Gaga and the vice president Pee Wee Herman (Paul Reubens)

I mean, we couldn't be any more of a joke than we are.

And I apologize for accusing you of supporting the status quo, we really aren't far apart IMHO.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Can I ask you to respectfully reconsider changing your vote?
Mr. Hand is running for senate and will fillibuster anything Gumby tries to do. With a firm "smash"

Vote for Lady Gaga and the vice president Pee Wee Herman (Paul Reubens)

I mean, we couldn't be any more of a joke than we are.

And I apologize for accusing you of supporting the status quo, we really aren't far apart IMHO.

Pee Wee does funny things in the darkened theaters. Lady Gaga is much farther out than Pluto.

No reason to apologize. I do support some of the status quo. All be it a small portion. And honestly, I see plenty of injustice every Friday. It starts in columns such as Federal Income Tax, State Tax, MED, SS. MD M4 and 401KE(that really is the sham of all shams) We have been hoodwinked on 401K retirement plans. That is whole other thread.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Really guy? In favor of status quo? You are participating in the Cain threat driving the Libs crazy correct? Honestly, there is something wrong here...at PA Ave. Wall St is like a kid given a lollipop. They ate it all without sharing. What did Washington expect when they handed the lollipop to banks?

My issue is protesting at Wall St make very little sense and you agree as well. However, do these folks believe Wall St is going to do anything? Do you think Obama who embraced the protest is going to do anything? No sir...status quo is what is going to happen.

No they will crumble. Both sides do not want change...

But if this fails, the next iteration will be alot worse. (Look at Rome's versions of the protest)

Only thing that will heal us now is a bloody revolution... As is our right in the Declaration of independance. (need the quote?)It's why we don't have all our guns taken away like other countries...

Sorry, It would truly suck, but money wins right now...And the protestors are not moneyed enough to be represented....

We are not as far apart as it seems. None of us as Americans are.