9/11 anniversary: Attacks made US stronger, Obama says

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Crécy

Than anywhere else? Hardly.

Yeah - I picked up on that one too , I'd like to think that he merely meant it as a rough example rather than literally.
(Unless he has somehow managed to live in all the developed nations accross the world for several years each)

[danlisa]

I have to agree with Privateer to some extent.

I find it quite laughable that in the wake of 9/11 the world went to war to 'protect our freedom' when in actuality our own countries have done more to erode our freedom than some foreign lands occupants.

Unfortunately it's never going to go back to the way it was. Now they have the 'power' over us, they will be reluctant to relinquish it.

[JU_88]

You know what I find most horrific
The 9/11 commission was given $15 million (and they had to beg for most of it). while cost of the Lewinsky investigation was $30 million.
Priorities.....

[mookiemookie]

What I found ghoulish and inappropriate were all the 9/11 themed commercials during the football games yesterday. Using a tragedy in an attempt to advertise your company as patriotic and benevolent is just plain exploitative. State Farm, Southwest Airlines and Budweiser were the ones I can remember offhand.

Pure crass marketing and a slap in the face to the people who lost loved ones that day.

[Crécy]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

What I found ghoulish and inappropriate were all the 9/11 themed commercials during the football games yesterday. Using a tragedy in an attempt to advertise your company as patriotic and benevolent is just plain exploitative. State Farm, Southwest Airlines and Budweiser were the ones I can remember offhand.

Pure crass marketing and a slap in the face to the people who lost loved ones that day.

Well this kind of activity is not new nowadays. Monetary gain is the most important thing, only after that comes everything else. Basically, the more you profit, the more you are ready to bend your principles. (wish I'd remember the name of the guy who wrote about this. IIRC he was french and lived in 19th century.)

[August]

Originally Posted by Crécy

Than anywhere else? Hardly.

Believe what you want but i'd match our standard of living over the past two hundred years with that of any other countries.

[Crécy]

Originally Posted by August

Believe what you want but i'd match our standard of living over the past two hundred years with that of any other countries.

Now you match your standard of living with any other country? Yet a moment ago you claimed that you have a higher standard of living than any other country.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

The problem with catch phrases is they are always too vague.

For instance love what about America? That we enjoy a higher standard of living and personal liberty that anywhere else? If a person hates that then I hope the door does hit them on the butts on their way out.

On the other side of the coin "change it" means many things to different people. The hippies themselves couldn't agree on what to change. Personally I am kind of leery about changing a society that has served us pretty well for the past two centuries. We stand to loose an awful lot if one of these ill conceived social experiments go wrong.

At that time we took "Love it or leave it" to mean not to oppose government policies, specifically concerning the Vietnam war. "Change it or lose it" was also directed toward those policies. I've seen something similar in recent times. When Clinton was president I saw bumper stickers here in Utah that said "I love my country, but I don't trust the government". When the Patriot Act was passed many of those same conservatives told us we must support the government at all costs.

The hippies weren't the only ones who can't agree on what to change, or what not to change.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Crécy

Now you match your standard of living with any other country? Yet a moment ago you claimed that you have a higher standard of living than any other country.

Translation misunderstanding. In this case "match" equals "compare", and his meaning is the same.

Translation misunderstanding. In this case "match" equals "compare", and his meaning is the same.

So all thats needed is any one of the dozens of examples from any one of the hundreds of tables that do the comparisons and simply pick any of the numerous countries that top the US.

[Crécy]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Translation misunderstanding. In this case "match" equals "compare", and his meaning is the same.

I see. Thank you for clarification.

Anyway, debating over this matter is quite futile. August seems to look the world through red-white-blue glasses so unless he doesn't take them off, this is a fruitless discussion.

[nikimcbee]

Okay, so I watched one show, that's it. I don't see how people could watch this stuff over and over.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So all thats needed is any one of the dozens of examples from any one of the hundreds of tables that do the comparisons and simply pick any of the numerous countries that top the US.

The problem is that there are many different ways to compare countries. Which ones are valid?

The problem is that there are many different ways to compare countries. Which ones are valid?

Thats the point, it was a ridiculous claim August made in the first place.
Making it into a "two hundred year" claim makes it even more ridiculous as that brings in a whole range of negatives that many other countries didn't have.
Its funny that it was a tangent about vague and meaningless phrases, then he came up with one of his own and even tried to defend it

[Sailor Steve]

You really are bitter, aren't you?