Does secularism make people more ethical?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Religion, when practiced responsibly and civilly..,

When that ever happens, let us know, please.

Originally Posted by Platapus

When that ever happens, let us know, please.

It happens all the time, they just keep it to themselves like their supposed to.

Unfortunately the world is filled with nutjobs who wave their religions around like a penis and shove it down everyone else's throat.

So what do these increasing numbers of non-believers believe in,

Belief is the key word, what is belief, what do you believe in if anything. Love, Faith, the human Spirit to overcome all things (I think of Lance Armstrong here). My theory is, even athiests believe, it's just we have lost the understanding of what belief really is.

The British pastor, Smith Wigglesworth said, " if you have to pray about something more than once, that is unbelief " . So what is the point, the point is this, even life long Church going folk struggle with belief the same as everyone else in the secular. Jesus said, "if you believe in me, greater things will you do"

I don't know if anyone will follow this link and watch, but I will say this before you click on it. This man did this a documented 29 times and his life long ministry was "only believe"

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

This man did this a documented 29 times and his life long ministry was "only believe"

Documented? By whom? Can you show this documentation?

I notice you have an Amazon.com link Steve, thats where I buy my books from the USA. The documented testimonies can be found there, plus first hand accounts on youtube.

The documented testimonies can be found there, plus first hand accounts on youtube.

You mean strange medical claims that are not verified

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

I notice you have an Amazon.com link Steve, thats where I buy my books from the USA. The documented testimonies can be found there, plus first hand accounts on youtube.

Documentation is something recorded, facts that can be shown. All the books in the world don't show facts, just talk. If someone was actually raised from the dead it would be world news, not hidden in books.

Documented testimonies are not documentation of the fact itself. A thousand people can claim God talked to them directly in their meeting. If there is no film of God doing the talking, then it's not documentation. Or, to loosely paraphrase Thomas Paine, "If God talks to me, it's revelation. If I tell you about it, it's hearsay."

As for YouTube, put up the links. But I will say this: Someone saying it, even on film, does not make it true, and is not documentation. I could say I've actually contacted the saucer people. This doesn't make it so.

All your is, is hearsay.

[Skybird]

Let'S analyse that TV-pastor's claims by scientific methodolog. If it survives that, then there is something worth to take note of. Else it is just this: claims and babbling.

TV-evangelicals and money-fixiated sectarians - c'mon sidslotm! Is your reasonability so cheap for sale? It should be more valuable to you. Much more.

Thomas Paine, "If God talks to me, it's revelation. If I tell you about it, it's hearsay

Interesting quote by tom paine, I would say there is belief in what he is saying. I would also say many of the things paine spoke of where truths that he believed in, he motivated people with his belief, and they believed as well. He brought people together under a flag of belief.

I'm not trying to preach, I don't attend Church, but I do believe.
I believe men find truth in revelation that paine spoke of and do great things with that truth. But I also understand that bernays believed. But his belief structure was based on a darker understanding of how to get people motivated to do things.

A total secular society is not far away in the western world, with it we will loose the ability to decern truth, without the ability to believe in truth we are all lost. Paine inspired men to believe, but so did Bernays, European Facists believed in Bernays in the 30s, as do many politians in America and Europe today, the problem we all have is "belief"

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Edward Bernayes, USA.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

Belief is the key word, what is belief, what do you believe in if anything. Love, Faith, the human Spirit to overcome all things (I think of Lance Armstrong here). My theory is, even athiests believe, it's just we have lost the understanding of what belief really is.

The British pastor, Smith Wigglesworth said, " if you have to pray about something more than once, that is unbelief " . So what is the point, the point is this, even life long Church going folk struggle with belief the same as everyone else in the secular. Jesus said, "if you believe in me, greater things will you do"

I don't know if anyone will follow this link and watch, but I will say this before you click on it. This man did this a documented 29 times and his life long ministry was "only believe"

Garbage...no proof, just stories to still emotions to get people to open their wallets, thinking they can buy God. Just like Hinn who claims he can medically prove his healings, tells news people he will show them and not once has. Sure, they can get people stirred emotionally with lights, music and preaching and convince them to overcome pain for a few minutes, all it is.

Faith and doubt go hand in hand.