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It is more horrible than can be written.

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school



@MattJ

So a parent who set out to get these policies enforced has no problem with the school doing it.

Apart from those parents who supported the idea but never thought that their little angel would do something bad, who then kick up a fuss when it happens as those disciplinary measures they like are only good for other peoples children.

It should be left up to the parent for these kinds of things.

Unfortunately not. Take a few of those examples.
Dispruptive behavior in class....is that for the school to deal with or should that be done at home? For that matter how can it be done at home?
Illegal drugs on school premesis.....is that parents or schools who must enforce that?
Weapons on school grounds......parents???????Are they supposed to search their own children at the school door every time their child walks through it?
How about that great one about disruptive parents at school functions? Should the other parents join together and beat the crap out of the ignorant pricks at the ceremony or should it be the school that deals with it.

[Anthony W.]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school

I hold merit due to the fact that I am calling them inadequate on an academic basis, and that I have the information they lack.

It really is as bad as I say - and I went to a private school up until this year. The private school was more uptight, but the quality of the education was 100% better in everything but math.

Oh, BTW, a study showed that the amount of money spent per meal on prison lunches is actually greater than the amount spent on public school lunches.

I hold merit due to the fact that I am calling them inadequate on an academic basis, and that I have the information they lack.

So a schoolboy that knows more than his teachers and textbooks, how novel.

Oh, BTW, a study showed that the amount of money spent per meal on prison lunches is actually greater than the amount spent on public school lunches.

Has that bad math education let you down?
You have in front of you an apple and a box of oranges...how much does the half a grapefruit cost?

[Anthony W.]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So a schoolboy that knows more than his teachers and textbooks, how novel.


Has that bad math education let you down?
You have in front of you an apple and a box of oranges...how much does the half a grapefruit cost?

I don't eat school lunch. I was just making the point.

And yes, in some subjects, I do know more than my teachers. Is it supposed to be BAD that I do extensive research into some subjects? I'm an expert in the Pacific theater of WWII, all aspects of the major air forces of the 20'th century, and politics. I spend weeks and months and years researching and consulting with leading professors and authors simply because I enjoy those topics. Is that a problem to you?

Quite frankly you haven't managed to prove any point with regards to my first hand allegations, only to piss me and several other people off. To be honest I think an admin should review all the unprovoked insults you've been issuing in this thread.

Just because we don't share your elitist (in appearance), "the government knows best", point of view, doesn't make us wrong. That attitude is bigoted by definition. In fact, it appears that most people in this thread are against most of what has been talked about here.

Now, back on topic. With regards to detention conflicting with child care arrangements, let that be the parent's problem. It isn't the school's fault that the kid did whatever they did to deserve a detention. If it messes up the arrangements, let the parents deal with the kid in their own way after they serve the time. It is the kid's fault. The kid has to serve the punishment for the crime eventually. Reschedule it or something - don't let them off the hook.

I got suspended my 8th grade year for cussing out a rather large crowd in the hall because they were talking crap about my late brother. Did I get out of it because my parents had nobody to "take care" of me? No. My father drug me to the office every morning, which was not only humiliating, but boring as hell.

I fully recognize that this response is emotionally charged because I will not be called unintelligent by somebody that doesn't even know me.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school



@MattJ

Apart from those parents who supported the idea but never thought that their little angel would do something bad, who then kick up a fuss when it happens as those disciplinary measures they like are only good for other peoples children.


Unfortunately not. Take a few of those examples.
Dispruptive behavior in class....is that for the school to deal with or should that be done at home? For that matter how can it be done at home?
Illegal drugs on school premesis.....is that parents or schools who must enforce that?
Weapons on school grounds......parents???????Are they supposed to search their own children at the school door every time their child walks through it?
How about that great one about disruptive parents at school functions? Should the other parents join together and beat the crap out of the ignorant pricks at the ceremony or should it be the school that deals with it.

What i meant was: The schools overreact in the worst way. Instead of stopping them and maybe serving detention, visit to the principal ect, they have these kids arrested, slapped with fines, and the charges are rediculous. Disruptive in class means a fine? Im GLAD my school had no where NEAR the ridiculous policies in some of these schools.

In the end, much of the punishment for some of these things should come down to the parents. The school gives em detention, or suspension for some things, and the parent grounds them or takes things away or gives them a good whacking. Not being slapped with misdemeanors, felonies (throwing an eraser is considered a DEADLY MISSILE, which is a felony? WHAT?) and often hefty fines. Brutal fights, vandalism, theft, ect. should be punished in such ways but come on now.

The schools dont LET parents decide much anymore. But moving away to a different district (its often an entire district who enforce policies) can be costly and sometimes not even an option.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't know. My daughters high school has a uniformed policeman. There are camera installed in every hall. It is all for security.


When we go to the mall there is uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed in every walkway and store. It is all for security.

I go to the airport. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up by TSA. It is all for security.

I go to a football game. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up as I hand over my ticket. It is all for security.

I go to the grocery store. There is a uniformed security/policeman at the door. There are cameras in every isle. It is for security.


So our schools are like what?

[tater]

Malls and stores have just rent-a-cops, right? Not sure what any of these guys are gonna do with a real emergency. Certainly nothing preemptive. It's like ridiculous post-Columbine metal detectors... they are useless unless the operator is prepared to preempt anyone who might pull a gun instead of getting scanned with lethal force.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I don't know. My daughters high school has a uniformed policeman. There are camera installed in every hall. It is all for security.


When we go to the mall there is uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed in every walkway and store. It is all for security.

I go to the airport. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up by TSA. It is all for security.

I go to a football game. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up as I hand over my ticket. It is all for security.

I go to the grocery store. There is a uniformed security/policeman at the door. There are cameras in every isle. It is for security.


So our schools are like what?

If one likes all that "security", why not ask for a tax increase so every one can have their very own police escort 24/7, for "security".

Those who surrender Freedom for Security, deserve neither.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

If you like all that "security", why not ask for a tax increase so every one can have their very own police escort 24/7, for "security".

Those who surrender Freedom for Security, deserve neither.

Nowhere did I state I like all the that 'security'. Also, the cameras are the 24/7 police escorts.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Nowhere did I state I like all the that 'security'. Also, the cameras are the 24/7 police escorts.

Rightful outrage noted, and appreciated.

"You" has been corrected to "one", in my original post.
The statement is no longer aimed at you, but those to whom it fits.

(I'll be more careful about wording.)

To all the hypocrites.
You know who you are, and so do we.

White Power, long live the master race, ein volk ein reich
Damn I thought it was the 21st century and people had evolved beyond that racist nonsense

Instead of stopping them and maybe serving detention,

Detention, some parents find that screws up their childcare arrangements and school transport arrangements plus of course you have to have supervision which would probably be an additional overtime expense or require a salaried teacher to volunteer for an extra crap job.

Instead of stopping them and maybe serving detention, visit to the principal ect, they have these kids arrested

If you look at the actual incidents from the article rather than the very warped presentation of them in the article do you find that many of them have gone through all that process and more before they get arrested? Apart of course from the zero-tolerance ones where people decided they were wasting too much time trying to enforce school policy.

Disruptive in class means a fine?

Financial penalties do tend to get the message across.

(throwing an eraser is considered a DEADLY MISSILE, which is a felony? WHAT?)

Oh noooooooo..........would you like to examine that little nugget from the article and discover how it was just someone talking bollox so he could pretend he had a real point?

The schools dont LET parents decide much anymore.

Swings and roundabouts, some parents can't be arsed to make descisions and some want schools to make the descisions because they can't be arsed themselves or because they have decided that other parents can't be arsed and are unable to maintain disipline in schools of children that are not theirs.
No matter which way you cut it it comes down to the schools picking up the crap left to them from bad parents and also doing the bidding of good parents. They are in a no win situation and it is the parents(and children) not the schools who are the problem.

Do you think that schools which have introduced these "unreasonable" disciplinary measures havn't tried already all the other approaches you suggest?