Calling all SH4 Superstars -- The Navy needs your help

[I'm goin' down]

Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

The somali pirates thing is clearly the work for spec-ops teams. What could naval-warfare related minds sugest to help? Firing upon a hidjacked ship full of innocent passangers?

Great point, he remarked saracastically. You will have a great future counting change at the hot dog concession at a major league baseball stadium--they count very methodically and really, really slowly.

[Rockin Robbins]

I have to agree. The only way to deter pirates is to kill them individually, surgically and in as violent a means as possible. If they know they will die, they will stop.

Now shooting at the mother ships and the speedboats could well be a naval scenario. Because then you can be a bit less surgical in that you are not targeting individual people. So the spec-ops people would have one mission--rescuing already boarded ships. And the naval forces would target the mother ships and speedboats.

[Stealhead]

You guys are forgetting all the local innocent small boats out there that the pirates try to blend in as.This is why they have all the ships and planes and choppers out looking then when they find something they have to send a Navy,Marine,or Coast Guard boarding team(not Spec Ops though the boarders are trained they are not in most cases Spec Ops the Spec OPs would be good for Rockins scenario) to check out the vessel if they are legit and have no weapons they are free to go about their day if they are bad guys they get detained and the little boats get sunk by gunfire.

The complex nature of the situation must be why they are doing this program if it was as easy as some of your posts they'd have done it by now. Clearly there are many maritime laws as well as LOAC rules in play here.

Link to the "game":http://mmowgli.nps.edu/mmowgli

You give them your e-mail and they let you know when its ready it seems...by the way First on Subsim to sign up!!!!!! Ha ha suckers

sorry could not resist.

I had to search all of the ONR site:http://www.onr.navy.mil/ to find that they had no link so I Googled mmowgli to find it how inconspicuous.

Would you like to play a game? (WarGames reference)

[I'm goin' down]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

First on Subsim to sign up!!!!!! Ha ha suckers

sorry could not resist.

[Stealhead]

Hey just having a little fun.

It is a really good idea though the "war game" there is name for this type of thinking process I forget what they call it they did the same thing when trying to figured a way to get Apollo 13 back.

[I'm goin' down]

subsim--mate

pirate--matey

[Daniel Prates]

Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

Great point, he remarked saracastically. You will have a great future counting change at the hot dog concession at a major league baseball stadium--they count very methodically and really, really slowly.

Ouch.

[Drednots]

"bounty hunters" if you will. Private mercenaries on the seas that are contracted out by either governments (laying out the rules of engagement for them and or weapons used etc, whatever) or the shipping companies. In colonial times this was a popular and most cost effective choice to protect shipments from pirates. The costs involved when you assign a government's navy is too high.

[Mush Martin]

Yeah as I recall blackwater is supposedly operating a privateer frigate
in the gulf of oman, do you suppose she is carrying letters of marques and reprisal
from the queen of america ?

[Stealhead]

I do believe that there are already some PMCs already working for various shipping companies.The issue is that international maritime laws are very strict about the carrying of weapons by ships that are not acting as vessels of a nations naval forces they must be naval forces not contractors.So the PMCs have rather limited options they can only use less than lethal means to discourage the pirates.If Blackwater has it own vessels they are going to limited in what the can do.

I rather doubt that modern nations would have the desire to use the old time system that was used back then.And in effect those guys where not being employed to protect ships from pirates they themselves where being allowed to commit piracy against certain other nations merchant vessels they where legalized at least by the employing nation.

[Anthony W.]

It doesn't take too much of a brain to operate Ma Deuce on a BASIC level. Load. Point. Shoot.

Start mounting them.

[Stealhead]

You cant that is the whole issue it is illegal for any non naval vessel to be armed in international waters every nation on earth agrees with this and it this way for logical reasons.
Do you know anyone with a captains license? They will tell you the same thing civilian ships can not be armed then comes the whole issue of different nations ports many of them ban all weapons at best you only have small arms like handguns and rifles(sort of) which makes you outgunned because the pirates have light machine guns like PKMs and they have RPGs you'd need the type of fire power that is not allowed to have a chance if you tried to fend them off with deadly force an M2 is not a legal weapon for a merchant vessel.



Have you ever fired an M2? Have you ever fired one on the high seas? I doubt that you have because if had you'd not say that they are so easy to use.It is a very loud weapon and I even saw other folks in the military be rather nervous when firing it the first few times. The M2 is too complex for a lay person to use with any effect hell they'd sit there all day trying to get it to fire after only cocking the thing once when you need to rack the handle twice I bet.No firearm is as simple as point and shoot to use with any effect.That may be true when the person is 3 feet away but not for a speed boat shooting at a person with no training being nervous and trying to hit a boat on the high seas.