Hydrophone fix?

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Adooo

I understand that it is not realistic to have the range info from the hydrophone and that u guys want 100% realism but this is a game and i play it to enjoy and where i enjoy is hunting with hydrophone only (used to it from SH4). Now, i dont have any problems at all to hunt a single ship but to hunt a convoy with hydro only is almost impossible atm. I have also tried the four bearings methode but without range info and using 4 bearings method u wont be able to hunt a convoy with hydro only because the sonar guy will not report the bearing for the same 1 ship. He will report the first bearing for the leading destroyer and after 5 mins he will (sometimes) report the bearing for the 2nd or 3rd merchant from the convoy or the side protecting destroyer etc...so u never know...

The four bearing method will give you the exact position of the target. This includes its range from you, it's Speed, heading, Angle on bow, etc.

If you ask the sonar guy to "Follow nearest sound contact", he will follow the same 1 ship and report the same 1 ships postion as and when its in a new degree. Until either contact is lost, you ask for a nearest sound contact or you ask him to stop. This is how I plot my four bearing method and it seems to work for me.

Originally Posted by Adooo

Another thing. Where is the problem in having options? If u are going for 100% realism nobody said u have to use the range option, its up to you but its a good thing to have different options...

Yes I agree, I was not implying that you should not use the method you use, I was just offering a method that I know works (As your method seems to be flawed/bugged).

Originally Posted by Adooo

I made this thread because it was really annoying when i was hunting my last convoy with hydro only. When u click on estimate range he gives u a range for 1 of those 10 ships from the convoy so u never know for sure for which one. I click on report nearest contact and he says bearing 30, after 3-4 mins he report me the nearest contact at bearing 77 and the convoy was heading from my right to my left side so WTF?

Anyways i would like to know (if anybody knows) the mechanics behind the hydrophone when hunting a convoy. For which ship is the range/bearing reported and on what is it depending?

When you ask him to report the estimate range to contact, he reports the nearest contact... This may not be the target he reported before as there may now be a closer target.

Originally Posted by Adooo

Why do you have different range calculations if TDC is on or off? I did some tests but cant say for sure...

Is this on a single ship, or only in a convoy???
If its just a convoy, it may be reporting a different ship.
But I've never tested this.

Originally Posted by Adooo

Finally is it possible, can i change some file or settings to get the range calculated depending on what bearing(ship) i choose at the hydrophone? Currently, if the contact is at bearing 30 u can put the hydrophone at bearing 20 or 40 and the range will be reported for the same contact and thats where the problem is when hunting a convoy...Is it possible to lower this from 20 degrees to lets say 1,2 or 5 degrees so if u have 2 ships, 1 at bearing 10 and the other one at bearing 17 they are processed as 2 different contacts and not like 1 as it is the case atm? Anybody know if this can be done?

Thanks!

The problem is he reports the NEAREST SOUND CONTACT.

So what you want is him to report is "range to contact on my bearing"?

I beleive that the hydrophone is hard coded, (which is why TDW gave us the info to hex edit the .exe to fix the hydrophone).

Link to TDW patcher for hydrophone fix..... [TEC] SH5.exe patches to fix bugs and add functionality (How to patch your sh5.exe file for v0.0.1 (fixes broken hydrophone station)

[stoianm]

It is a way to use hydro to obtain range... it is not realistic but can be aplied only for a ship.... for a convoy it is not posible to track with hydro... and i have doubts you can do that changing cfg files or i dunno... this is hard coded

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by Adooo

I have also tried the four bearings methode but without range info and using 4 bearings method u wont be able to hunt a convoy with hydro only because the sonar guy will not report the bearing for the same 1 ship. He will report the first bearing for the leading destroyer and after 5 mins he will (sometimes) report the bearing for the 2nd or 3rd merchant from the convoy or the side protecting destroyer etc...so u never know...

At long range - say 25km, I ask for "report sound contact" and use these
for bearings with 30 mins between. I find this gives you enough to get to
a good fiing possition and if targets ar not too close - enough info for solution.

If convoy is close or heading at me fast where there is a noticable spread
of sound contact. I use "follow nearest warship" command from the hydro
command officer. This will track the same target.
Problem here is when you move for you fourth bearing - you can lose contact.
Then it does become a guessing game.
Here I would always confirm my solution with visual checks.
if it was thick fog - I may hit with one out of four torps.

I assume you are also using the real nav mod.

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

At long range - say 25km, I ask for "report sound contact" and use these
for bearings with 30 mins between. I find this gives you enough to get to
a good fiing possition and if targets ar not too close - enough info for solution.

If convoy is close or heading at me fast where there is a noticable spread
of sound contact. I use "follow nearest warship" command from the hydro
command officer. This will track the same target.
Problem here is when you move for you fourth bearing - you can lose contact.
Then it does become a guessing game.
Here I would always confirm my solution with visual checks.
if it was thick fog - I may hit with one out of four torps.

I assume you are also using the real nav mod.

Trevally... thanks for the ideea... i will track only the DDs for convoy... i will use the hydro ping to find speed, course for convoy... i will put myself on fast 90 and i will hit only one ship on the convoy... this in heavy fog ofcource... but... it is a but... often the DDs speed is diferent from the rest of the convoy

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by stoianm

Trevally... thanks for the ideea... i will track only the DDs for convoy... i will use the hydro ping to find speed, course for convoy... i will put myself on fast 90 and i will hit only one ship on the convoy... this in heavy fog ofcource... but... it is a but... often the DDs speed is diferent from the rest of the convoy

Yes the DD's are a pain to track as they often patrol around the convoy, changing speed and course.

I find it annoying when I've been tracking the nearest sound contact and by the time I've got my fourth bearing, I notice/discover that I've been tracking an escort ship and my speed and heading of convoy is wrong.

It makes it more rewarding when you get it right though.

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

Yes the DD's are a pain to track as they often patrol around the convoy, changing speed and course.

I find it annoying when I've been tracking the nearest sound contact and by the time I've got my fourth bearing, I notice/discover that I've been tracking an escort ship and my speed and heading of convoy is wrong.

It makes it more rewarding when you get it right though.

I tested and it is working... i used the hydro ping and i found the course and the speed of a convoy in heavy fog tracking the nearest war ship contact... i puted myself in 90 degrees... i fixed my tdc for fast 90... and i sunked a ship from that convoy... all this at -19 metters submerged

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by stoianm

I tested and it is working... i used the hydro ping and i found the course and the speed of a convoy in heavy fog tracking the nearest war ship contact... i puted myself in 90 degrees... i fixed my tdc for fast 90... and i sunked a ship from that convoy... all this at -19 metters submerged

You know what I'm going to say now, don't you.

That's right......Stoianm's cheating again!!!



The ping is too accurate.... It's surposed to be an estimate to contact, not a precise range to contact.