For Obama, Big Rise in Poll Numbers After Bin Laden Raid

Ducimus · 05-04-11, 05:36 PM

I was wondering when this topic would broach. A couple days longer then i expected. Should i get the popcorn ready?

tater · 05-04-11, 05:42 PM

I'd expect a huge bounce, actually, he is POTUS and they got Bin Laden. Huge.

That said, for his opponents, they have to be heartened by the way they are wrecking the narrative daily.

From a purely political standpoint, he'd have done better to announce it with less fanfare and backstory (I thought his speech was pretty lousy), and more matter of fact info—"We found him, we planned an attack, executed the attack, and the Seals took out the trash. Next in AQ line, is next in line for the same treatment." Then release photos. Have made sure that everyone speaking is on the same page as to what went down, etc.

This is looking like a badly planned media event, and might hurt the longevity of his bounce IMO. Good on him for OKing it, but yeesh, manage the thing better.

MaddogK · 05-04-11, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I'd expect a huge bounce, actually, he is POTUS and they got Bin Laden. Huge.

That said, for his opponents, they have to be heartened by the way they are wrecking the narrative daily.

From a purely political standpoint, he'd have done better to announce it with less fanfare and backstory (I thought his speech was pretty lousy), and more matter of fact info—"We found him, we planned an attack, executed the attack, and the Seals took out the trash. Next in AQ line, is next in line for the same treatment." Then release photos. Have made sure that everyone speaking is on the same page as to what went down, etc.

This is looking like a badly planned media event, and might hurt the longevity of his bounce IMO. Good on him for OKing it, but yeesh, manage the thing better.

Sorry Tater, word is he didn't directly OK it, he was merely a spectator like the rest of us.

...but if it makes you feel better to believe so

05-04-11, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

Sorry Tater, word is he didn't directly OK it, he was merely a spectator like the rest of us.

...but if it makes you feel better to believe so

Gaurantee you he directly OK'd it, he is Commander in Chief and all, meaning he runs the whole military

MaddogK · 05-04-11, 07:51 PM

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/

Armistead · 05-04-11, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

Sorry Tater, word is he didn't directly OK it, he was merely a spectator like the rest of us.

...but if it makes you feel better to believe so

That is almost laughable, to think Obama didn't approve it, let's be real.

Doubt it would even be legal to go into another country without the Pres approval.

krashkart · 05-04-11, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

That is almost laughable, to think Obama didn't approve it, let's be real.

Doubt it would even be legal to go into another country without the Pres approval.

Presidential approval had been there for some time, if the article posted in #14 is to be believed. According to that article, the green light came on and only a small handful of people knew about it. The President was kept out of the loop until after the action had started.

* And if it's true, I hope he has some choice words for his staff...

Gerald · 05-05-11, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Presidential approval had been there for some time, if the article posted in #14 is to be believed. According to that article, the green light came on and only a small handful of people knew about it. The President was kept out of the loop until after the action had started.

* And if it's true, I hope he has some choice words for his staff...

Right!

AVGWarhawk · 05-05-11, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Presidential approval had been there for some time, if the article posted in #14 is to be believed. According to that article, the green light came on and only a small handful of people knew about it. The President was kept out of the loop until after the action had started.

* And if it's true, I hope he has some choice words for his staff...

Hope. Change.

krashkart · 05-06-11, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Hope. Change.

Heehee! Good one.

TorpX · 05-05-11, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

That is almost laughable, to think Obama didn't approve it, let's be real.

Doubt it would even be legal to go into another country without the Pres approval.

A Pres. can "approve" of operations in another country, and still not know the details/ specifics. This could be either normal delegation of authority or a cynical game of plausible deniability (in case something goes wrong). Does the pres get briefed on every drone strike? I don't see any reason why he would, he gives the Sec. of Defense his orders and it goes from there. Remember the Bay of Pigs? Certainly, JFK "approved" it, but didn't understand it's scope. Was it legal? Unless the courts render an unfavorable judgement, it is "legal", I guess.

Gerald · 05-04-11, 05:43 PM

why not, popcorn has many uses

TorpX · 05-04-11, 06:29 PM

I remember George Bush (Sr.) poll numbers were in the 90's after the first Gulf War. He still lost to a political nobody, Bill Clinton in the next election. Poll numbers really don't mean much.

Armistead · 05-04-11, 06:45 PM

He'll win next time regardless, the GOP has nothing to put up against him.
GOP can kiss that elderly base goodbye

Ducimus · 05-04-11, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

He'll win next time regardless, the GOP has nothing to put up against him.

Which is a sad statement in and of itself.

05-04-11, 05:42 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'd expect a huge bounce, actually, he is POTUS and they got Bin Laden. Huge. That said, for his opponents, they have to be heartened by the way they are wrecking the narrative daily. From a purely political standpoint, he'd have done better to announce it with less fanfare and backstory (I thought his speech was pretty lousy), and more matter of fact info—"We found him, we planned an attack, executed the attack, and the Seals took out the trash. Next in AQ line, is next in line for the same treatment." Then release photos. Have made sure that everyone speaking is on the same page as to what went down, etc. This is looking like a badly planned media event, and might hurt the longevity of his bounce IMO. Good on him for OKing it, but yeesh, manage the thing better. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

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MaddogK XO Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 409 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/ __________________ May fortune favor the foolish

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	why not, popcorn has many uses __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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05-04-11, 05:36 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I was wondering when this topic would broach. A couple days longer then i expected. Should i get the popcorn ready?

05-04-11, 06:29 PM	#13
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I remember George Bush (Sr.) poll numbers were in the 90's after the first Gulf War. He still lost to a political nobody, Bill Clinton in the next election. Poll numbers really don't mean much.

05-04-11, 06:45 PM	#14
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	He'll win next time regardless, the GOP has nothing to put up against him. GOP can kiss that elderly base goodbye