Illegal to talk to a Police Officer?

[August]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

That nails it on the head.
The cops SHOULD be professional and tbh the cop lost it in the video.
Just because you're a cop, doesn't mean you can talk down to a citizen. I've seen this many many times.
So many double standards with cops.
The cop in the video was not professional, if he really did feel threatened then there are more professional and respectful ways to handle a situation.
Being a cop gives you a license to lose your cool apparently.

Being a cop doesn't make you something other than human though. Making a single strong statement does not prove, to me, that he lost his cool.

[Stealhead]

It is also very clear if you pay attention in the clip that the passenger spoke in a very disrespect towards authority manner then the cop told him shut his mouth which he kept moving displaying his intent not follow instructions.

Even when you know the cop is wrong it is wise to simply keep your mouth shut and remain calm.A good friend of mine had a bad incident where he legally pulled a gun on a man who approached him at knife point a by stander thought that my friend was the assailant not the victim and called the police in the mean time the true assailant ran away.

Two police approached and one who was not so good a cop arrested him on the spot.Lucky for my friend he remained calm and did not say much of anything in the end several witnesses and the second lower ranking good cop got the situation corrected.

[Ducimus]

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Oh, and one thing ive always wondered about cop hatred threads, is how many people who bitch about cops, obey the law in the first place. If you watch the above video, i personally cleared in the first step.

Obey the law.

Of my own accord, ive been stopped by a cop, twice in my entire life. First was for speeding, second was out of date tags.

Of NOT of my own accord, ive been detained by the cops, twice that i can recall. Both times were not of my doing, but my drunken Ex's doing. (loud and biligerant in the first incident, lying to the cops on the second incident, and i was nowhere around, i was at home, modding SH4. ) I remained calm, polite, did as instructed, always told the truth, and both times I walked away, without a scratch, either physically or legally.

[elephantium]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

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Oh, and one thing ive always wondered about cop hatred threads, is how many people who bitch about cops, obey the law in the first place. If you watch the above video, i personally cleared in the first step.

Obey the law.

If we could trust all the cops to do the same, we wouldn't have any of these so-called "cop hatred" threads, now would we?

If complaining about cops abusing their position is "cop hatred", then I think it's only fair to label the opposite position "hatred of freedom". Turnabout, after all, IS fair play, isn't it?

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

Being a cop doesn't make you something other than human though. Making a single strong statement does not prove, to me, that he lost his cool.

working in a meat dept. dosen't either...but I am Expected to deal with people in a calm and respectful manner no matter what. If a 19 year old making 8.50 an hour is expected to act this way, a trained police officer on a traffic stop damn well better act like that too. Even if the passenger did "speak disrespectfully" the police officer is the professional, nobody else gets to behave in this manner and not get in trouble at work.

[Ducimus]

Working as a retail clerk behind a counter, is not the same thing. As a retail clerk, your talking to the customer. Your trying to get that person to buy something from you.

A cop, is not trying to sell you anything, he is there to enforce the law. You are not a customer, you are either: the citizen let off with a warning, the signatory of a citation, or a suspect in a criminal investigation,..... but customer.... no.

[Stealhead]

You are trying to compare vastly different jobs in your line of work(and most peoples) the possibility of encountering a possibility violent person is highly un-likely the odds that a cop will is highly likely and would require them to maintain control of a situation as best as possible.All I can say is walk a mile or two in cops shoes (or more like a year or two) and see things from their perspective rather than having a most of them are big heads attitude.

If one cant take strong verbal statements/someone in authority telling you what to do explicitly all I can say is they should stay far away from the military because they would really dislike basic training and the military as whole as commands given are not to be questioned and by law the same applies to any person when a law enforcement officer is telling you to do something.Anyone who served will tell you that some superiors where good and fair and other where not but that they respected the rank and authority that their position warranted and most times extremely bad apples got dealt with in the correct manner.The same rules can be applied to civilian law enforcement.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

When what Ive read , reads like every other cop hatred thread i have read, your damn right its gonna get pigeon holed.

Once again, this is not intended to invite discussion on how much we (allegedly) hate cops.
Pigeon-Holeing. So you are lumping me into the group of cop haters? Nice. Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Oh, and one thing ive always wondered about cop hatred threads, is how many people who bitch about cops, obey the law in the first place. If you watch the above video, i personally cleared in the first step.

Obey the law.

Yea, so? Obey the law, ofc. But what has that got to do with the passenger asking the cop something and the cop telling the guy to shut his mouth?
Sorry, don't see the correlation here.
Ask a cop something, without aggression, without swearing, without sarcasm, end-result: Shut your mouth! Nice cop, full of civilty. So why don't all cops say to people: shut your mouth then?
I've been pulled over for random breath tests, speeding and have encountered professional police men and women and when i have asked them questions, which by the way i am entitled to do they haven't replied with: shut your mouth.
If they did, then i would take offence to that and possibly take it further.

Of NOT of my own accord, ive been detained by the cops, twice that i can recall. Both times were not of my doing, but my drunken Ex's doing. (loud and biligerant in the first incident, lying to the cops on the second incident, and i was nowhere around, i was at home, modding SH4. ) I remained calm, polite, did as instructed, always told the truth, and both times I walked away, without a scratch, either physically or legally.

Not much different from the passenger asking a question, although the circumstances are different, but, asking a general question is not illegal, nor is it against the law.

Originally Posted by gimpy117

working in a meat dept. dosen't either...but I am Expected to deal with people in a calm and respectful manner no matter what. If a 19 year old making 8.50 an hour is expected to act this way, a trained police officer on a traffic stop damn well better act like that too. Even if the passenger did "speak disrespectfully" the police officer is the professional, nobody else gets to behave in this manner and not get in trouble at work.

Agree, at the end of the day, you treat people how you want to be treated.
Doesn't make any difference where you work or what you do.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Working as a retail clerk behind a counter, is not the same thing. As a retail clerk, your talking to the customer. Your trying to get that person to buy something from you.

I doubt if that's the point he was making, he was generalising, i think.
Treat people how you want to be treated.
Wearing a badge doesn't make that any different.

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You are trying to compare vastly different jobs in your line of work(and most peoples) the possibility of encountering a possibility violent person is highly un-likely the odds that a cop will is highly likely and would require them to maintain control of a situation as best as possible.All I can say is walk a mile or two in cops shoes (or more like a year or two) and see things from their perspective rather than having a most of them are big heads attitude.

Aha, yea sure i get that a cop's job is dangerous etc etc.
But, that is not the point of this discussion, is it?
We are not debating how dangerous a cop's job is.
We are debating that a cop should have some resemblance of civilty and act with a bit of professionalism.
Not tell a guy to shut his mouth.
Pretty primitive imo.

If one cant take strong verbal statements/someone in authority telling you what to do explicitly all I can say is they should stay far away from the military because they would really dislike basic training and the military as whole as commands given are not to be questioned and by law the same applies to any person when a law enforcement officer is telling you to do something.Anyone who served will tell you that some superiors where good and fair and other where not but that they respected the rank and authority that their position warranted and most times extremely bad apples got dealt with in the correct manner.The same rules can be applied to civilian law enforcement.

Once again, i don't think that is the point of this discussion.
No-one it seems has a problem with getting told what to do here.
Once again, i re-iterate that the discussion is about how one person speaks to another.

I don't know about the rest of you but i was always raised with the belief that it is ok to question things.
To ask questions, in a civil and polite manner.
And i will continue to ask questions if and when i am entitled to, which is pretty much everywhere.
It is my human right. That to me is more important than some clown telling me to shut my mouth if and when i ask a question.

Just a few points Feuer.
You are basing this on a recording of the only the part of the encounter so you cannot say all he did was "Ask a cop something, without aggression, without swearing, without sarcasm".
From what is available it can be seen that this event was not a one off with the people in the car, apparently the nasty cops have a vendetta against his family and hate his brother because...well because he has accidents and drives without insurance and with dodgy tags.
It looks live you may have been taken in by a whining pikey.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

"Ask a cop something, without aggression, without swearing, without sarcasm".

You don't want to tell us that you never got into trouble with the authorities because of sarcasm?! - and I'm not talking about the subsim authorities....

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

working in a meat dept. dosen't either...but I am Expected to deal with people in a calm and respectful manner no matter what. If a 19 year old making 8.50 an hour is expected to act this way, a trained police officer on a traffic stop damn well better act like that too. Even if the passenger did "speak disrespectfully" the police officer is the professional, nobody else gets to behave in this manner and not get in trouble at work.

When was the last time you had a shootout in the meat department? Let's not compare apples and oranges here.

[Gerald]

In "normal" cases, it usually is not talking very special, for the simple reason that what has (already posted above) that the potent suspects have already been realized that any further exposition of the word, is not to his advantage, quite the opposite

[Ducimus]

Ok, i think i see the crux of the issue here. A shattered sense of fair play.
"If I have to be nice, then soinso should too! So there!"

This may be a shock to some of you, but the world is not a fair place, and not everyone follows the same set of standards. As the old saying goes, nobody EVER said life was fair.

The world in fact, is a cold hard mistress. Nobody knows this better then anyone who has to deal with the ugliness of the world, head on. While your sitting there smug with yourselves, totally absorbed in your own little world, there is a TON of crap your not seeing or dealing with.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ok, i think i see the crux of the issue here. A shattered sense of fair play.
"If I have to be nice, then soinso should too! So there!"

This may be a shock to some of you, but the world is not a fair place, and not everyone follows the same set of standards. As the old saying goes, nobody EVER said life was fair.

The world in fact, is a cold hard mistress. Nobody knows this better then anyone who has to deal with the ugliness of the world, head on. While your sitting there smug with yourselves, totally absorbed in your own little world, there is a TON of crap your not seeing or dealing with.

It is true, you have no experience, living far from what I would call "crap" and you're grateful you do not have to deal with it, others take care of it instead

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Vendor

It is true, you have no experience,

In law enforcement, no i don't. Although I do have a couple relatives who are in LE. Three relatives actually, now that i think of it. I contemplated LE work myself for awhile, but decided that A.) I don't care to have a job where im required to carry a weapon, and most importantly, B.) I would have a hard time "serving and protecting" the general public. I've always had what we refer to in my house as "PH level" or "public hatred level". Some days its higher then others. Suffice to say, i hate the general public.

living far from what I would call "crap"

Yes i am. Ive seen enough of the world to know how lucky i really am. I am far far far removed from the crap of the world. In fact im sheltered from it working an offiice job, living in a cubicle, and i know it. I know it because i wasn't always sheltered. By my standards, i haven't been living in the "real world" for some time. Ive seen it before, and it sure as s _ _ t aint the life im living now. My biggest concern is if ill get laid off, thats IT. Comparitively, that's a trivial worry.

and you're grateful you do not have to deal with it,

Yes i am. I know how ugly the world, and people, can be.

others take care of it instead

Thats why they have the badge, and I respect that.