Nuts down south...

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Come on now. Be real. How many anglo saxon protestants do you see running around that are Jihadists willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake?

Could you tell me how you distinguish "anglo saxon protestant" from "Jihadist willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake"? I doubt terrorist would say "Yes I'm Jihadist" to airport security when questioned and I doubt even more that they would say "My Semtex is on my daughters private area".

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Could you tell me how you distinguish "anglo saxon protestant" from "Jihadist willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake"? I doubt terrorist would say "Yes I'm Jihadist" to airport security when questioned and I doubt even more that they would say "My Semtex is on my daughters private area".

Exactly! Apparently the TSA had cause to examine the girl more closely. IMO there's nothing wrong with that. Drugs and weapons are just as easy to hide on a kid as on an adult.

Don't want the risk of being frisked? Don't fly.

[Fish In The Water]

Funny how they used to call them 'private parts,' but now they're just 'sensitive parts...'

'Tis a brave new world we live in, hope the TSA is havin' fun!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Don't want the risk of being frisked? Don't fly.

And what happens when they invade train stations? Bus stations? Stadium parking lots? Shopping malls?

By your logic - if you don't like police brutality, don't go outside. Don't you dare get caught rolling through a stop sign or going 2 miles over the speed limit.

If you don't like e. coli contamination in your food, don't eat. If you don't like smog, don't breathe. Don't like garbage in your water? Don't drink.

The "if you don't like it, don't do it" argument is specious and ridiculous.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And what happens when they invade train stations? Bus stations? Stadium parking lots? Shopping malls?

But they don't "invade" train stations, bus stations and parking lots, do they? So what's the point, really?

By your logic - if you don't like police brutality, don't go outside. Don't you dare get caught rolling through a stop sign or going 2 miles over the speed limit.

How is what the TSA did "brutality"? Did did their job. They did exactly what they're supposed to do, namely search suspect persons. If a suspect happens to be a child, should that be a reason to let her pass?

If you don't like e. coli contamination in your food, don't eat. If you don't like smog, don't breathe. Don't like garbage in your water? Don't drink.

Those comparisons are just bull. You can't just not drink or not eat. You don't have a choice. Whereas you do have a choice about flying.
But if you insist on comparing it with food, I know a valid one:
If you don't want to get infected with salmonella, don't eat raw eggs.


Why the HELL should a 6 year old girl be above the law?!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

But they don't "invade" train stations, bus stations and parking lots, do they? So what's the point, really?

If people don't speak out, you can be sure that's what the next stop is. Oh lookie here, they're already doing it. What's your great idea now? Not take trains? Not drive? Just avoid transportation altogether, right?

How is what the TSA did "brutality"? Did did their job. They did exactly what they're supposed to do, namely search suspect persons. If a suspect happens to be a child, should that be a reason to let her pass?

You completely missed the analogy. By the way, how many terrorists have the TSA caught in the past 10 years? Here's a hint: rhymes with "zero."

Those comparisons are just bull. You can't just not drink or not eat. You don't have a choice. Whereas you do have a choice about flying.
But if you insist on comparing it with food, I know a valid one:
If you don't want to get infected with salmonella, don't eat raw eggs.

Yeah I'll tell my boss that the little 2 day business trip to London he wants to send me on, I have to take a week long boat ride or heck, just I'll just swim. I'm sure he'll be real understanding.

Congratulations on missing the point completely. If something is wrong the answer isn't to just throw up your hands and say "oh well, guess I'm not gonna do THAT anymore", you act to change it. The whole "when they came for..." thing.

Why the HELL should a 6 year old girl be above the law?!

Why the HELL should we relinquish our dignity and submit to a police state? If I'm going to be patted down, I'm going to be sure I did something to deserve being patted down for.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If people don't speak out, you can be sure that's what the next stop is.

But you aren't there yet. So there's no sense to that argument at all.

You completely missed the analogy.

Maybe because the analogy wasn't right in the first place.

Yeah I'll tell my boss that the little 2 day business trip to London he wants to send me on, I have to take a week long boat ride or heck, just I'll just swim. I'm sure he'll be real understanding.

So if you are stopped by the UK customs to be searched, I take it you refuse and take the first plane back to the US to tell your boss those evil Brits don't let you into the country?

Congratulations on missing the point completely. If something is wrong the answer isn't to just throw up your hands and say "oh well, guess I'm not gonna do THAT anymore", you act to change it. The whole "when they came for..." thing.

Congratulations on missing my point as well.
You know that if you fly you can be searched. It's just a risk you take. And if you don't want to take that risk, then I'm afraid the only option is to not fly.

Why the HELL should we relinquish our dignity and submit to a police state?

Because the alternative to sometimes being frisked at airports is letting drug smugglers and terrorists into the country.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Because the alternative to sometimes being frisked at airports is letting drug smugglers and terrorists into the country.

The TSA has never caught a terrorist. Ever. In their entire existence. Meanwhile, there's how many times have they missed guns and other items?

They're incompetent. Why someone would willingly submit their dignity and human rights to someone so inept just because they claim some sort of authority says a lot about that person.

[Dowly]

Dont understand what's the big deal.

After seeing the video, the only thing that bugs me is the way the parents
acted. Instead of talking to the kid and maybe calming her and explaining
that it's ok and so on, they just stand there recording it and talking about a
drug test. No wonder the kid felt like she had done something wrong.

What if this said kid would have been carrying explosives? And after the damage
was done, the news would be all about how your airport security is too lax.

EDIT: Ah, the issue here is that TSA shouldn't do these type of searches on kids
under the age of 13?

[Reece]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Exactly! Apparently the TSA had cause to examine the girl more closely. IMO there's nothing wrong with that. Drugs and weapons are just as easy to hide on a kid as on an adult.

Don't want the risk of being frisked? Don't fly.

The 6 y.o. girl didn't have much say in the matter! the least they could have done is had a "female only" doing child frisks!

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Could you tell me how you distinguish "anglo saxon protestant" from "Jihadist willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake"?

You have eyes and a brain don't you? Observe what you see. It's not hard.

[GoldenRivet]

its not about race or religion... when we are down to removing tobasco sauce, and a can of soup from the flight bag of the aircraft captain - something is seriously flawed with our security concepts.

yes...

a container of tobasco sauce and a can of soup

taken

from the guy who flies the effing airplane



the concept of security in the United States is badly flawed.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You have eyes and a brain don't you? Observe what you see. It's not hard.

Sorry but maybe here is simple catch which I don't get... How you know from first glance persons religion? Let's assume that there is a family where both daddy and mama are jihadist terrorist. They are in holy mission where ANYTHING can be sacrificed.

Are they going to break every single rule sanctioned by Qur'an? Absolutely if it is necessary to complete holy mission.

Are they going to sacrifice their "snowflake". Absolutely if it is necessary. They have done it before (using kids as suicide bombers in Afganistan for example) and I don't see reason to not do so again, its about striking against evil America you know.

Not every muslim is ethnically from Middle East or Asia or Africa. There are also converts. Yes there are also white muslims believe it or not.

So how you know that white man and woman are not jihadist terrorist ready to do anything to harm you?

Sorry but I just don't see how I'm supposed to distinguish well trained terrorist who is ready to sacrifice absolutely everything for single holy goal from totally innocent fellow passenger. And I don't see how airport security is expected to do so either.

P.S. What "anglo saxon protestant" looks like?