Go take the camel...

[caspofungin]

But it shows total disdain and lack of understanding of Dutch culture to confront others with religious rituals especially under the current circumstances. Some passengers were really scared. If you want to integrate and behave like a 'proper'Dutchman, you keep your personal religion where it belongs, in your personal domain and/or your local house of worship

but they stepped into the toilet, right? how is that confrontational? weren't they performing their rituals in private?

I wouldn't call baptism, praying and singing outdated rituals.

i wouldn't either -- but washing or ritual cleansing is?

the obvious connection with terrorism

no, there's an obvious connection with islam. your fellows are the one making the "logical" leap.

That's a real long shot, with all those maybe's...

but not impossible. after all, who could anyone know? i mean, the cops knew, once they'd actually spoken to them...

if you behave like that it's not your own place, because you have not made the cultural connectionand make a statement of it.

fair enough...

knowing the Dutch attitude towards immigrants over the past decades - which has been leaning backwards to make people feel at home and equalLY treated - I am deeply convinced that the rejection came from those fundamentalists first and foremost and then triggered a predictable response from the average Dutchman.

i honestly don't know enough about holland and other european countries to make a judgement. my only experience has been in the uk. and i agree that some immigrants, at least in recent years, take the easy route and just melt into their little ethnic enclaves. but some don't, some try to assimilate, and while ssome may do so successfully, others won't, for a variety of reasons.

it all depends on your perspective.

"isolationism can come from both sides of a cultural divide.

at least we can both agree on that. [/quote]