TMO S Class Dive times?

[Ducimus]

I wonder if it ever occured to anyone that I was trying to make the S boat dive to a speed that was more historically correct then it was previously. (Note my choice of words in that sentence very carefully)

[rein1705]

I was just unaware of the real time it took to dive the S-class boats, i didnt mean to come off as critical to your work in the least.
I like your attention to detail in TMO, and now that i know the RL times i was in err in asuming she'd sink like a rock like in stock SH4. See i thought i had gone and done something wrong to the boat or just wasnt doing it right. I'll still take out the S-class boats on partols, there still my faves.

[Ducimus]

Personally, i dislike S boats. I liken them as the fleet boat equivlant of a Type II uboat. Too small, too poorly armed, and a waste of my time. I freely and openly admit, they are the red headed step child in TMO.

[Mescator]

I just finished 3 Patrols with a Sboat for the first time (I usually started late war)

Makes you fully appreciate the tactical freedom of stern tubes, being able to get past 13 Knots and having a boat with a bit of mileage.

And I'm only in a Porpoise class =p

On Topic: The dive times on it are crazy, but notice that once the decks wash over it sinks like a stone. If you compare it to a fleet boat, which have a fairly steady rate of descent, the Sboat's delay before going down makes it seem like a eternity. Just order crash dive and hold on

[Armistead]

I started out with an S boat for this career. The game even has the bow planes in the proper place, way above the water line. Wonder who designed em that way historically.

[rein1705]

This is taken from "The visual guide to S-class submarines"

A VISUAL GUIDE TO THE S-CLASS SUBMARINES
1918-1945
PART 3: THE ELECTRIC BOAT SERIES

BY

DAVID L. JOHNSTON

 2010

The Electric Boat Company (EB) of Groton, CT. won the majority of the construction contracts for the S-boats. Not that their product was necessarily superior to the Government or Lake designs, it was that EB had a much greater construction capacity and simply had the capability to build more boats faster. Ironically, EB themselves had never built a submarine before. Construction of all of the company’s products had been contracted out to other firms, mostly the Fore River Shipbuilding Company of Quincy, MA. and Union Iron Works of San Francisco, CA. (Both companies would be later bought out by Bethlehem Steel). EB’s Groton facilities consisted of their New London Ship & Engine Company (NELSECO) engine subsidiary. They would not have a shipbuilding yard there until 1924, too late to build any of their S-boats.


The second group consisted of S-30 through S-41 and these boats were built by Union Iron Works. They were virtual duplicates of the 20 series boats. The only noticeable difference between the groups was the different shape of the housing for the bow plane pivots. The 20 series had a prominent angular cover, while the 30 series had a smaller, rounded cover. This may indicate a change in bow plane operating mechanisms for the 30 series. The photographs of S-33 and S-36 on this page give good views of this group

idk how to poast it compleat as its a PDF format. as to who the exact engineer was and what he was thinking at the time? who knows, but prehaps it just carried over from the older "R" class boats as i know very little about the ones that had come before.

And yes, The S-boat has many many flaws in comparason to its biger better cousions the fleet boats. I've heard them compared to the type 7 U-boats but that is unfair a type 7 is more like a Sargo or P class your right in it being like the cruddy type II in many ways, however the S-boat was better than any type II imo now im rambeling, Fleet boats are vastly superior and now days i mostly cruse around in the Gar and Gato class Boats but i always have at least one Pig way out in Alaska or round Austraila for when i get too comefortable with my 10 tube sea monster

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I wonder if it ever occured to anyone that I was trying to make the S boat dive to a speed that was more historically correct then it was previously. (Note my choice of words in that sentence very carefully)

He said it took 3min. to get to 40 ft. Did you intend to make the dive this slow?

Personally, i dislike S boats. I liken them as the fleet boat equivlant of a Type II uboat. Too small, too poorly armed, and a waste of my time. I freely and openly admit, they are the red headed step child in TMO.

We never would have guessed.



While on the subject of S-boats, does anybody know what the turning performance was?

[rein1705]

I just found this in reguards to operating an S-class submarine, it seems to be a copy of the Sub School S-boat operations manual.... Outstanding is the fact that it was preserved to today and there isnt a single S-boat in existance.
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/s-boat/index.htm