Confusion Over Policy on Married Gay Immigrants

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by August

Says the guy from a country where free speech is banned by law.

Quite right, other countries have banned people to have free will and freedom of speech, we see it as obvious, but in other parts of the world, you sit in jail instead

[Skybird]

This is another opportunity to press it into people's wanted, demanded, almost ordered and certainly politically corrected opinion that there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual people, and both are of the same sociological importance for a sociaty and culture, and have the very same biological meaning.

Seen that way we only survived until today and got that far only because the Apemen who were our forfathers had no capoability to discuss this concept, and could only say Oh, Uh, Ah and Eh. And procreate - most likely with partners of not the same sex, considering that the story of mankind did not end with them.

Forgive my brief interference, this is an issue of world-moving importance and relevance, so we really need to discuss it every couple of times.

[Gerald]

There is nothing to apologize for Sky, the issue may be controversial in some eyes, but the fact remains, how it is possible to change the conditions, everything can be solved as long as the will is there.

Says the guy from a country where free speech is banned by law

Says the guy that doesn't know Dutch law(not you this time Darkfish)
Freedom of speech is guaranteed by law.
However if what you say, broadcast or print is a violation of other laws then you are liable under those laws.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

There is nothing to apologize for Sky, the issue may be controversial in some eyes, but the fact remains, how it is possible to change the conditions, everything can be solved as long as the will is there.

I was sarcastic.

And on the solution of things, in this case, and comparable things dealing with PC: let brain rain from heaven and make some interest groups think before they assume once again they are the navel of the universe and everything revolves around them.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This is another opportunity to press it into people's wanted, demanded, almost ordered and certainly politically corrected opinion that there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual people, and both are of the same sociological importance for a sociaty and culture, and have the very same biological meaning.

Seen that way we only survived until today and got that far only because the Apemen who were our forfathers had no capoability to discuss this concept, and could only say Oh, Uh, Ah and Eh. And procreate - most likely with partners of not the same sex, considering that the story of mankind did not end with them.

Forgive my brief interference, this is an issue of world-moving importance and relevance, so we really need to discuss it every couple of times.

So what? Do you really think that if we recognize gay marriage, straight men and women will suddenly turn gay, which will threaten the survival of the species?

No, if we recognize gay marriage, all that will happen is that a large part of the population will no longer be discriminated against for no reason. They weren't going to have biological children anyway, so why stop them from getting married?

And on the solution of things, in this case, and comparable things dealing with PC: let brain rain from heaven and make some interest groups think before they assume once again they are the navel of the universe and everything revolves around them.

So expecting equal treatment under the law makes you self-centered?

So what? Do you really think that if we recognize gay marriage, straight men and women will suddenly turn gay, which will threaten the survival of the species?

Stop right there, its bad enough with his poor people, dumb people immigrants and muslims breeding ideas, don't get him on the rampage about gay breeding demographics under a secret EU conspiracy

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

So what? Do you really think that if we recognize gay marriage, straight men and women will suddenly turn gay, which will threaten the survival of the species?

No, if we recognize gay marriage, all that will happen is that a large part of the population will no longer be discriminated against for no reason. They weren't going to have biological children anyway, so why stop them from getting married?

So expecting equal treatment under the law makes you self-centered?

Please use the search button and find at least three threads I recall where I have answered questions like that and explained my view in depth repeatedly in the past 6 months, and explained in full detail what the status of gay relations and singles has to do with the meaning of families for social societies, and why it is not discrimination at all to not ignore the difference between gay relations and couples getting children. Discussion of this problem is not really new in this forum . I have not heared a single reasonable argument back then that forces me to rethink my thoughts on the matter, only emotionally twisted biasses on display. I am sure that it would not be any different at all this time, so I save that time.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Please use the search button and find at least three threads I recall where I have answered questions like that and explained my view in depth repeatedly in the past 6 months, and explained in full detail what the status of gay relations and singles has to do with the meaning of families for social societies, and why it is not discrimination at all to not ignore the difference between gay relations and couples getting children. Discussion of this problem is not really new in this forum . I have not heared a single reasonable argument back then that forces me to rethink my thoughts on the matter, only emotionally twisted biasses on display. I am sure that it would not be any different at all this time, so I save that time.

Are you really sure about that...

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Please use the search button and find at least three threads I recall where I have answered questions like that and explained my view in depth repeatedly in the past 6 months, and explained in full detail what the status of gay relations and singles has to do with the meaning of families for social societies, and why it is not discrimination at all to not ignore the difference between gay relations and couples getting children. Discussion of this problem is not really new in this forum . I have not heared a single reasonable argument back then that forces me to rethink my thoughts on the matter, only emotionally twisted biasses on display. I am sure that it would not be any different at all this time, so I save that time.

Oh, I remember, "It's the duty of the state to ensure the continuance of society through support for families (because not discriminating against gays would be devastating to families!)." Or something like that. IIRC, you didn't answer my question last time either. Oh well.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Oh, I remember, "It's the duty of the state to ensure the continuance of society through support for families (because not discriminating against gays would be devastating to families!)." Or something like that. IIRC, you didn't answer my question last time either. Oh well.

I did. It was not that reply confirming you that you wanted to hear. And I seem to remember a lot of suggestive phrasing on your side. So: the ballroom is yours.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Quite right, other countries have banned people to have free will and freedom of speech, we see it as obvious, but in other parts of the world, you sit in jail instead

You know our constitution?