Muslim model defends Miss Universe contest bid

[Penguin]

not really my type, looks like many generic middle-eastern women

However what do those wankers from the Ramadhan Foundation want to tell her? They're against it? Cry me a river, muppets! Same with Brits who think that a muslim woman can't represent them...

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I believe its not going to be that bad, I mean, i don't expect british muslim people honoring their religion so much that they are willing to go to jail for it

Yes, never happened. Are you really too lazy to type honour killings + Britain into a search engine?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

But on a lighter note, doesn't Lebanons entry look like she would be more attractive if you put a veil on her face...

regarding the other contestants http://www.universalqueen.com/2010/0...-official.html, the Lebanese really made a bad choice, #7 would have been my favourite. For her I would do the belly dance!

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Penguin

not really my type, looks like many generic middle-eastern women

However what do those wankers from the Ramadhan Foundation want to tell her? They're against it? Cry me a river, muppets! Same with Brits who think that a muslim woman can't represent them...



Yes, never happened. Are you really too lazy to type honour killings + Britain into a search engine?




regarding the other contestants http://www.universalqueen.com/2010/0...-official.html, the Lebanese really made a bad choice, #7 would have been my favourite. For her I would do the belly dance!

Quick research tells me that honor killings happen with family members.

Honour killing is the murder of a person accused of "bringing shame" upon their family.

because the family member "shamed" the family

Shanna said most people do support her, including her family in Pakistan

well considering this, its really unlikely that anything will happen to her
because people who are not related to her are not ashamed by her, and probably will not care, much less risk jail time

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Quick research tells me that honor killings happen with family members.

because the family member "shamed" the family


well considering this, its really unlikely that anything will happen to her
because people who are not related to her are not ashamed by her, and probably will not care, much less risk jail time

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

honoring their religion so much that they are willing to go to jail for it

Your post suggested that no killings out of religious/cultural "reasons" ever happened in Britain - that was my point.

True that most "honour" killings happend in the family, but this doesn't mean that it is exclusive to family members.
Check out how many women who work in shelters, as lawyers, basically fight for the rights of muslim women, are threatened by religious nuts. Ayaan Hirsi Ali from the Netherlands is maybe the best known of them.

[CaptainHaplo]

Hmmm - well she would look good with my.......

Oh sorry - didn't mean to type that out loud.

Seriously - good for her to try to show that its time for the old, archaic ways of fundamental islam to be tossed aside.

May she be blessed with safety - she likely will need it.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali from the Netherlands is maybe the best known of them.

Isn't that the woman who turned out to be lying about her past. Perhaps not the best example for you to use.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Isn't that the woman who turned out to be lying about her past. Perhaps not the best example for you to use.

Reagrdless if everything is 100% true about her past, she is involved in the fight against the oppression of women and still gets threatened.

Well, I think if I drop some names of German women who fight for the rights of muslim women and share a similar fate, it would be harder to read something about them, as that most people on here don't speak krautish.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Your post suggested that no killings out of religious/cultural "reasons" ever happened in Britain - that was my point.

True that most "honour" killings happend in the family, but this doesn't mean that it is exclusive to family members.
Check out how many women who work in shelters, as lawyers, basically fight for the rights of muslim women, are threatened by religious nuts. Ayaan Hirsi Ali from the Netherlands is maybe the best known of them.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, and unclear in my first post
but I just don't think she would (end up)"as another sad and tragic victim of an honor killing."

Risking life in jail killing someone you don't personally know simply because you don't like what there doing?
I just can't imagining that happening

I mean, just look at Marilyn Manson
his album Antichrist Superstar attracted tons of protesters and threatening letters, yet he is still alive

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Risking life in jail killing someone you don't personally know simply because you don't like what there doing?
I just can't imagining that happening

I can: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3974179.stm (Theo van Gogh)

Read any paper or a history book: people kill each other about religion and ideology since aeons - don't know how one can get the idea that humans need a personal relationship to off somebody.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Penguin

I can: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3974179.stm (Theo van Gogh)

Read any paper or a history book: people kill each other about religion and ideology since aeons - don't know how one can get the idea that humans need a personal relationship to off somebody.

that was a despicable act
Maybe I have assumed incorrectly
I always though people in modern society have better acceptance to other people expressing their opinions, and won't kill them for simply expressing their opinions

I mean, killing policy makers and politicians i understand, but killing film makers
especially considering that they are risking a long stay in jail

unfortunatly, I incorrectly though that sort of thing mostly ended after the civil rights movement and the assassination of martin luther king

[NeonSamurai]

Do not forget though that we are dealing with a group of extremists who believe they will be rewarded if they martyr themselves. It is quite possible an attempt on her life will be made, though no it would not be an 'honor killing', that is an entirely different phenomena.

Sadly there are still plenty out there in all kinds of different camps that will quite happily kill someone else because they do not think the same.