Torpedo layout

[Bakkels]

No I don't just fire a single salvo.
Mind you, to me the game is about taking down as much tonnage as possible in a realistic way. But you only got four bow torpedoes and when I intercept a convoy, I just pick out two fat targets per attack, they both get two eals. Then I back away and reload, and go back.

The choice of three speeds on the T I makes the timing issue a lot easier for me. (plus, I get the sense that the T I's are more reliable, but that just might be me)
And halfway through '42 or something like that, the destroyers seem to be pretty good at homing in on my firing position anyway, so using TI's or TII's doesn't really make that much of a difference in my game. But that could also be a fault of my own. Maybe I'm not stealthy enough. However, I almost always can get rid of them.
So maybe it's kinda personal, but I like my T I's

[U777]

TII's are great for merchants that are kinda far because no wake will not alert them and have them change course to try and avoid it, but I usually use the TI's for their speed and use the TII's for distance attacks and for warships that are sitting ducks and oblivious to my presence.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by U777

TII's are great for merchants that are kinda far because no wake will not alert them and have them change course to try and avoid it, but I usually use the TI's for their speed and use the TII's for distance attacks and for warships that are sitting ducks and oblivious to my presence.

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

They can notice you, however, so raise your scope only to make quick observations, do the solution, and fire. Don't keep it up to watch the kerplosion.

Warships, however, can notice torpedo tracks, and their reaction alerts the merchants, too.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by desirableroasted

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

So how come in the Torpedo Training Acadamy the stationary merchant suddenly speeds up and moves out of the way when the torpedo is coming? And it wasn't because he saw my periscope, because when I aim one just a few feet forward of his bow he cleverly knows it will miss and he doesn't move.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that merchants can indeed see the tracks from steam torpedoes. It depends on their skill level of course, so they don't always, but they can.

[VONHARRIS]

I have never seen a merchant taking evasive manouvers to avoid an incoming torpedo unless she has already started zigzagging before the launch.

Maybe this ship - in training - is scripted to do so.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So how come in the Torpedo Training Acadamy the stationary merchant suddenly speeds up and moves out of the way when the torpedo is coming? And it wasn't because he saw my periscope, because when I aim one just a few feet forward of his bow he cleverly knows it will miss and he doesn't move.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that merchants can indeed see the tracks from steam torpedoes. It depends on their skill level of course, so they don't always, but they can.

Yeah, I was taught that, too, in the academy. The problem is that I have never seen a ship perform that way since. Ever.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So how come in the Torpedo Training Acadamy the stationary merchant suddenly speeds up and moves out of the way when the torpedo is coming? And it wasn't because he saw my periscope, because when I aim one just a few feet forward of his bow he cleverly knows it will miss and he doesn't move.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that merchants can indeed see the tracks from steam torpedoes. It depends on their skill level of course, so they don't always, but they can.

He moves weather a torpedo is coming, or not.

[Rammstein0991]

Originally Posted by desirableroasted

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

They can notice you, however, so raise your scope only to make quick observations, do the solution, and fire. Don't keep it up to watch the kerplosion.

Warships, however, can notice torpedo tracks, and their reaction alerts the merchants, too.

They do indeed in the regular campaign at least, I've fired TI's during the day and just before they hit I watched the merchant turn the rudder hard over and try to turn out of the way, didnt work...but he definitely saw them, and I know he didnt see me as my stealth meter stayed green.

[sublynx]

I've seen them react to the TI's as well. Search lights are lit and there is the beginning of the rudder hard left / right behaviour. They haven't seen my boat as and I have been able to sneak away on the surface.

[desirableroasted]

I have not played stock in years, so merchants may well do the turn on a dime stop on a dime dance when they see a bubble train in stock. I simply do not remember.

They certainly do it in the Academy in stock, as we all know.

In GWX3.0, I have NEVER seen a lone merchant react to a bubble trail. Ever. If it is with an escort and the escort sees your bubble trail, the merchant will begin the regular zig zag, while the escort comes after you. But that's all. No speeding up, no stopping, no throwing the helm over.

I am happy to be set straight, but considering I have encountered every mishap in GWX except this one, I'll believe it when I see it.

[sublynx]

This has been in NYGM but now that you mention it I'll have to do another attack run with the Atos to see if the search lights are lit by the merchants or the warships. The problem is that the convoy I remember attacking had a cruiser in the middle of it and it might be that the cruiser notified the torpedoes and then the merchants started weaving.