Torpedo layout

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Bakkels

Thanks Tessa
That's exactly what I needed. I only use T I's anyway, at least until those advanced pattern-running-torpedoes (for lack of a better word) arrive. Though I still haven't learnt how to use those types correctly.
Anyway, now I can finally get rid of those pesky T II's they keep filling up my IX with.. Who needs them anyways? By the time they see the torpedo's wake, I'm already miles away! Mwhuahahaha *evil laughter*

So... how do you do convoy attacks? Just a single salvo?

Might as well stick to single merchants then.

The TII's are a great weapon, as they are stealthy, and if you're good enough, you can hit multiple targets in a convoy by timing the firing so all the ToT's are at the same point. They also allow you to hit a bigger target on the other side of the convoy, and then use the TI's higher speed for up close shots when they start zigzagging.

I wouldn't complain if I had an entire loadout of TII's. I would be a little apprehensive with just TI's, as they would prevent any serious attacks on warships or escorts, especially since the escorts have been known to trace back the direction the eels came from.

[Bakkels]

No I don't just fire a single salvo.
Mind you, to me the game is about taking down as much tonnage as possible in a realistic way. But you only got four bow torpedoes and when I intercept a convoy, I just pick out two fat targets per attack, they both get two eals. Then I back away and reload, and go back.

The choice of three speeds on the T I makes the timing issue a lot easier for me. (plus, I get the sense that the T I's are more reliable, but that just might be me)
And halfway through '42 or something like that, the destroyers seem to be pretty good at homing in on my firing position anyway, so using TI's or TII's doesn't really make that much of a difference in my game. But that could also be a fault of my own. Maybe I'm not stealthy enough. However, I almost always can get rid of them.
So maybe it's kinda personal, but I like my T I's

[U777]

TII's are great for merchants that are kinda far because no wake will not alert them and have them change course to try and avoid it, but I usually use the TI's for their speed and use the TII's for distance attacks and for warships that are sitting ducks and oblivious to my presence.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by U777

TII's are great for merchants that are kinda far because no wake will not alert them and have them change course to try and avoid it, but I usually use the TI's for their speed and use the TII's for distance attacks and for warships that are sitting ducks and oblivious to my presence.

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

They can notice you, however, so raise your scope only to make quick observations, do the solution, and fire. Don't keep it up to watch the kerplosion.

Warships, however, can notice torpedo tracks, and their reaction alerts the merchants, too.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by desirableroasted

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

So how come in the Torpedo Training Acadamy the stationary merchant suddenly speeds up and moves out of the way when the torpedo is coming? And it wasn't because he saw my periscope, because when I aim one just a few feet forward of his bow he cleverly knows it will miss and he doesn't move.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that merchants can indeed see the tracks from steam torpedoes. It depends on their skill level of course, so they don't always, but they can.

[VONHARRIS]

I have never seen a merchant taking evasive manouvers to avoid an incoming torpedo unless she has already started zigzagging before the launch.

Maybe this ship - in training - is scripted to do so.

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So how come in the Torpedo Training Acadamy the stationary merchant suddenly speeds up and moves out of the way when the torpedo is coming? And it wasn't because he saw my periscope, because when I aim one just a few feet forward of his bow he cleverly knows it will miss and he doesn't move.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that merchants can indeed see the tracks from steam torpedoes. It depends on their skill level of course, so they don't always, but they can.

Yeah, I was taught that, too, in the academy. The problem is that I have never seen a ship perform that way since. Ever.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So how come in the Torpedo Training Acadamy the stationary merchant suddenly speeds up and moves out of the way when the torpedo is coming? And it wasn't because he saw my periscope, because when I aim one just a few feet forward of his bow he cleverly knows it will miss and he doesn't move.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that merchants can indeed see the tracks from steam torpedoes. It depends on their skill level of course, so they don't always, but they can.

He moves weather a torpedo is coming, or not.

[Rammstein0991]

Originally Posted by desirableroasted

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

They can notice you, however, so raise your scope only to make quick observations, do the solution, and fire. Don't keep it up to watch the kerplosion.

Warships, however, can notice torpedo tracks, and their reaction alerts the merchants, too.

They do indeed in the regular campaign at least, I've fired TI's during the day and just before they hit I watched the merchant turn the rudder hard over and try to turn out of the way, didnt work...but he definitely saw them, and I know he didnt see me as my stealth meter stayed green.

[sublynx]

I've seen them react to the TI's as well. Search lights are lit and there is the beginning of the rudder hard left / right behaviour. They haven't seen my boat as and I have been able to sneak away on the surface.

[desirableroasted]

I have not played stock in years, so merchants may well do the turn on a dime stop on a dime dance when they see a bubble train in stock. I simply do not remember.

They certainly do it in the Academy in stock, as we all know.

In GWX3.0, I have NEVER seen a lone merchant react to a bubble trail. Ever. If it is with an escort and the escort sees your bubble trail, the merchant will begin the regular zig zag, while the escort comes after you. But that's all. No speeding up, no stopping, no throwing the helm over.

I am happy to be set straight, but considering I have encountered every mishap in GWX except this one, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Tessa]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

So... how do you do convoy attacks? Just a single salvo?

Might as well stick to single merchants then.

The TII's are a great weapon, as they are stealthy, and if you're good enough, you can hit multiple targets in a convoy by timing the firing so all the ToT's are at the same point. They also allow you to hit a bigger target on the other side of the convoy, and then use the TI's higher speed for up close shots when they start zigzagging.

I wouldn't complain if I had an entire loadout of TII's. I would be a little apprehensive with just TI's, as they would prevent any serious attacks on warships or escorts, especially since the escorts have been known to trace back the direction the eels came from.

Limiting yourself to only T1's would more or less force you into conducting night attacks only. If you run into a fast convoy during the daylight you're only real good shot is the initial encounter. Trying to shadow a 12-15 knot convoy will really drain fuel fast in order to keep range until nightfall.

I'm also a big fan of TII's, when in dock I generally swap out all my torpedoes for a full load of them (save the aft ones, I keep T1's in the case I have the kill an escort that's hunting me). Am not sure about how things really happened, mathematically an eel travelling at 45 knots should do more damage with its increased momentum and release of kinetic energy. Aside from the Physics behind it, can't comment on the mechanical engineering aspect of the effects of a faster torpedo; to my knowledge though ingame torpedo speed doesn't affect the damage outcome. If you fired an electric and steam (at max speed) the TI would obviously hit first, though wouldn't go anymore damage than the TII traveling at the slower speed.

Here's Richi's Torpedo Tool.
http://www.mediafire.com/?uduuuh9ylwo371b

And there is an option to use English in this program.
It's been awhile since I ran it.


Note:
On windows 7 64 bit,
I had to download Comdlg32.ocx and place it in the Torpedo folder created by Richi's tool.
If you need that file, let me know and I'll upload the version I have.

[uenako]

Originally Posted by privateer

Here's Richi's Torpedo Tool.
http://www.mediafire.com/?uduuuh9ylwo371b

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[maillemaker]

Merchants do not notice torpedo tracks, and you can test this if you want in one of the single missions (or in a throwaway career).

Really?

Steve