Oh by the way Obama Care still Unconstitutional.

[gimpy117]

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...publican_idea/

wait for irony to set in.

[tater]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...publican_idea/

wait for irony to set in.

Which is why Romney is a non-starter as a candidate.

The mandate was always wrong, even in taxachuesetts. Someone here who is a lawyer might be able to comment on if there is a difference between a Federal mandate, and a State one, though. It might well be legal on a State level, even if it is clearly wrong-headed to allow the state to compel citizens to engage in some arbitrary economic activity.

[gimpy117]

But it's older than Mitt Romney even tater...don't spin this by making him a scape goat. The idea had been touted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary's failed reform in 1990, and when there was a paper published in 1991 about the subject it was well received by bush senior.

and yes the mandate IS wrong...but the republicans let it be in the bill after they "compromised" and watered down the bill. If i had to guess they also had a hand in getting that little gem i there. The only reason they have been "rejecting" the bill is because it's good politics and they are banking on the fact that nobody will remember that many of them were all for what this bill proposes 10 years ago.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by tater

Which is why Romney is a non-starter as a candidate.

The mandate was always wrong, even in taxachuesetts. Someone here who is a lawyer might be able to comment on if there is a difference between a Federal mandate, and a State one, though. It might well be legal on a State level, even if it is clearly wrong-headed to allow the state to compel citizens to engage in some arbitrary economic activity.

Not a lawyer yet Tater, however I am finishing up my first year of Law School.A state mandate such as the one in Mass is constitutional, but a Federal mandate is not.Simply put, the state's can do things the Fed government can not, which is the reason a state can require you to purchase car insurance if you have a vehicle registered in your name and if you do not, they can cancel your registration and/or suspend your license.The Fed's have no such power and anyone who simply reads the constitution while putting their political views aside can see this.Those who claim the Fed's do are stretching the commerce clause in what I can only see as an intellecutally dishonest manner to fit their agenda.Claiming that the Federal government has the power under the commerce clause to tax/fine someone who does not engage in commerce, ie purchase a service(health insurance) is rather outlandish.

I honestly lost what little respect I had for Obama when he allowed this to stand because for all things that he is, he is not a complete dumb arse, he taught con law(which is scary) and he knows the constitution, but he wanted that health care bill so bad, so he disregarded the constitution for suit his political agenda, which is just sad.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...publican_idea/

wait for irony to set in.

Old news gimp, was a terrible, unconstitutional idea then and remains one today.Never got much pess because it was never actually put into law, just a stupid idea someone came up with.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Old news gimp, was a terrible, unconstitutional idea then and remains one today.Never got much pess because it was never actually put into law, just a stupid idea someone came up with.

Mitt put it into law in his state. I just threw that in there to show that all this finger pointing at obama is pretty hypocritical and ironic.

[mookiemookie]

I like potatoes.

[Lord_magerius]

Mookie wins! I think this means this thread has ended, seeing as it's the same as almost every other thread on the first two pages of GT.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I like potatoes.

Would you like fries with that?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I like potatoes.

I see I'm a bad influence on you

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I like potatoes.

Right now, i like em mashed. Brutally mashed, and ground into a pulp.

[frau kaleun]

Somebody needs a hug.

[mookiemookie]

Steak fries are God's gift to mankind:



Look at how good those are. Can't you just taste that fluffy inside, the slightly crispy outside? The salty savory seasoning?

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I like potatoes.

I like swords.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Mitt put it into law in his state. I just threw that in there to show that all this finger pointing at obama is pretty hypocritical and ironic.

Like it or not, it is constitutional when a STATE does it, states have far more powers in this area than the Fed government does.I explain in the post below how the states have power to force you purchase car insurance etc

My personal opinion aside, which is against the mandate, it is unconstitutional if the Feds do it, but if the states do so, mandate passes muste,r so not hypocritical to go after Obama for signing it.Romney will not get the nom because of the health care unless he comes out and says "I was wrong to do so" which he will not, which is okay because he is not a conservative.