Frankfurt Airport shooting

[tater]

All the news stories say he is from Kosovo...

probably a Kosovarian Quaker, I bet.

[Gammelpreusse]

That happened about 10 kilometers from where I live. Noticed nothing, though.

However, my deepest condolences to the families and friends of those two airmen. I hope everything surrounding this will be cleared up really fast.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by tater

All the news stories say he is from Kosovo...

probably a Kosovarian Quaker, I bet.

Strange, US have been the Kosovo's biggest ally when it came to their independence.
Unless he's a Serb from kosovo, now they have a handful of grudges

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Strange, US have been the Kosovo's biggest ally when it came to their independence.
Unless he's a Serb from kosovo, now they have a handful of grudges

Not very strange at all. Back then the ethnic structure of Kosovo was totally different. During and after the war many Albanians moved into Kosovo, turning it from a dominantly Serbian-orthodox-christian province run by the Serbian nationalists in Belgrade into an Albanian-Muslim place run by the Albanian-Kosovarian mafia, with a gangster as head of government.

But he has been democratically elected, so there must be something positive in all this.

Not very strange at all. Back then the ethnic structure of Kosovo was totally different. During and after the war many Albanians moved into Kosovo, turning it from a dominantly Serbian-orthodox-christian province run by the Serbian nationalists in Belgrade into an Albanian-Muslim place run by the Albanian-Kosovarian mafia, with a gangster as head of government.

Even on something so simple skybird has trouble with truth.
Minority rule in the form of Serb minority dominance was watered down decades ago, the attempt to move in settlers and re introduce minority rule was the spark in the 80's which led the other yugoslav states to make their break from the serbs.


But to the topic, bad news, another murdering scumbag.
If he is a christian from north portion of the city of Mitrovica or a muslim from south Mitrovika he is still just a murdering scumbag.

[Freiwillige]

The Article on Yahoo says that he was a devoted Muslim quoting his parents.

Some reader post at the bottom of the story brought up the fact that they had to say he was Muslim in the story but if he was Christian it would never be brought up. She couldn't understand why they pointed his religion out.

Well if his religion is the motive than that is a valid part of the story, And we all know it was.

[Jimbuna]

Regardless of race, colour, creed, religion or anything else for that matter....a murderer is a murderer.

My sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims.

[Bubblehead1980]

Another follower of an archaic, backwater ideology murders men wearing a uniform worth more than his pathetic life.Just sad they were not able to shoot him back....

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Regardless of race, colour, creed, religion or anything else for that matter....a murderer is a murderer.

Well said, Jim.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Regardless of race, colour, creed, religion or anything else for that matter....a murderer is a murderer.

You are right about this, but as this crime seems to be political/religious motivated it is imo important to take a look into the gunman's background. If he quacks I am in favour to call a duck "a duck". Could this reenforce prejudices? Maybe, but you won't eliminate prejudices if you sweep his background and motivation under the carpet.

As a cop you certainly know when the press talks about your job: mostly only when some cop behaves out of his bounds. You should only be alarmed if the press - or some sunny paper - writes: "Sensation! A law-abiding, non-corrupt policeman did a good job!"

Originally Posted by jimbuna

My sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

But he has been democratically elected, so there must be something positive in all this.

The way you say that, sounds like you are suggesting there is a better way to choose leaders?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

The way you say that, sounds like you are suggesting there is a better way to choose leaders?

The way I said that was meant to hint at that many Europeans tend to demand all those freedoms and choices for the Muhameddan world and many other parts of the third world, without considering that it sometimes is right these choices and freedoms bringing the worst of the worst to power, and the greatest enemies of our way of living and of those freedoms we want to see them being given - just to wake up one day later and realise that they have turned these our freedoms and our good will against us. There must be limits to our tolerance.

Some people make a holy grail of democratic choice, as if that would guarantee in any way that the best, the most noble and altruistic, the most competent and honest would win, no matter in what social/political/cultural environment, and they do not care for allowing their own destruction being tried on the basis of right this value. That is the point where I refuse to follow any longer. I did in the past, but realised that it is no good to do so. To me, democractic structures are only an acceptable choice in some conditions - not in all. I see places in the world and I can imagine scenarios (and argued in their defence in past years and threads), where I think other ways of running a place are more promising to function.

Realpolitik, that is. Because I think just having good intention alone, is no value in itself. In fact it seems to have done much more worse than good in history. Maybe that does not make me a shining example of a fanatic democrat. But it brings me much more into congruence with realities, and makes me less prone to falling for wishful thinking.

[Onkel Neal]

Well, even with disfunctional societies, I favor democracy. If, like pre-Nazi Germany, they democratically choose fascists, then there will be trouble, but that's just the price of freedom. It's like Tiger Blood, you either have it or you don't.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, even with disfunctional societies, I favor democracy. If, like pre-Nazi Germany, they democratically choose fascists, then there will be trouble, but that's just the price of freedom. It's like Tiger Blood, you either have it or you don't.

For ourselves, that may be so. But for certain others - if others vote for personell causing troubles not onply to them but also to us, then I fail to see the need that we should accept that just becasue the othewrs have elected them.

In the end it comes down to the endless debate I had with Steve two months ago or so, about the tolerance-paradoxon: that tolerance needs limits in that it should not toleratew the intolerant,. for this wpould mean that the intolerant wipe out the tolerant ones, and tolerance with them. It is the same with freedom.