Illegal Immigrants necessary because Blacks and Whites are too lazy to work -SC Sen.

Armistead · 02-10-11, 03:57 PM

I think it has little to do with race, more economics. Certainly racism is at the core of many issues that lock people into lower lifestyles and non skilled labor, but it's more about money. If someone can do it as good cheaper, then that's what people care about.

I was a Sr Project Manager for a large paint contractor for 20 years. When I first went to work for the company, we had over 200 employees, 90% white, few blacks and other races. We had large buildings and offices in 3 states and two small planes to travel. We paid a decent wage, had great benefits, etc.. We followed all laws, paid thousands to dispose of left over haz. waste monthly, followed lead laws..safety, etc.

Slowly illegals took over, wages declined as the pro's fought to compete. Over the last 15 years I've seen the largest 8 in house paint contractors shut down, most in business since the 20's. First they dropped wages, then benefits, made every cut, but no way to compete against illegal labor. The few whites in business today have no employees, they sub it all out to a legal mexican that works nothing but illegals.

Now large builders use illegals in mass. To be in this business and make a dime you dispose of your waste by throwing it on the ground, maybe 10% dispose legally, that means 100,000's of gals a year of strong chemicals get dumped in yards, dumpters, down sinks, toilets, etc. (paint thinner, epoxy thinner, MEK, alcohol) Then drop benefits and work illegals as cheap as you can, no safety laws, ect. A once professional trade went down the toilet.

Do they work hard, have skills, sure. Most whites won't work for the wage now, no benefits, etc.. but all these skilled trades once worked well, paid well with benefits to Americans and they got the job done, painting, framing, bricklayers....the wage is almost the same now as it was 15 years ago.

In our richest neighborhood, full of white GOP members you'll hear them talk about illegals ruining the nation, why at the same time they're using them doing painting, yardwork, building on, you name it. This neighborhood looks like lil mexico in the morning with all the illegals showing up for work.
You'll find very few whites. We have to follow laws, pay taxes, insurance. If we break the laws, we pay hefty fines, the illegals go hide and can't be found.

In the upper trades, illegals can't break in due to license status or education. It's really nothing but class warfare, americans taking advantage of illegals over paying for legal americans to do the job.

Just imagine if we allowed illegals to have this effect on skilled and professional trades...No, that class would solve illegal immigration in a week...Illegal Lawyers, Doctors, ect., Mexico has plenty that would work here illegally if they could. It's nothing but class warfare, the rich getting cheap labor and denying a decent wage and benefits as they have to legal americans.

Ducimus · 02-10-11, 04:20 PM

Well, on a personal level, that senator can kiss my ass. I'm no stranger to back breaking work ,and i've NEVER been afraid of it.

Also, what Armistead just said in the post above me.

Americans were squeezed out of trade jobs because jackwagons started hiring illeagals so they could cut costs. ALong with that came the IT revolution. I remember in the past, i forget when exactly, but I was told by a professor that Blue collar jobs are going away. Well, yeah, they have. What hasn't been automated or shipped overseas, was domestically outsourced to Mexican nationals.

Again, Mr Senator, KISS MY ASS. I'd love to be able to work with my hands and be outdoors again instead of sitting in this sensory deprivation chamber 8 hours a day under fluorescent lighting.

Freiwillige · 02-10-11, 04:21 PM

Illegal immigration is often sold as a victimless crime but really there are a multiple of victims. The immigrants themselves are actually victims in that they do backbreaking work for low under the table pay which in turn drives wages for that field into the dirt and the only winner is the corporate class that saves $$$ for what amounts to slavery.

Its a lose lose situation and its far exceeded its time to put an end to it.

CaptainHaplo · 02-10-11, 05:11 PM

The playing field should be level, the grass should be evenly cut (No making one group run through half a wheat field) and the winner at the end takes home the prize. The prize also shouldn't change based on race or gender either.

August · 02-10-11, 07:01 PM

This guy is an idiot. Productivity has nothing to do race or citizenship.

Freiwillige · 02-10-11, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by August

This guy is an idiot. Productivity has nothing to do race or citizenship.

Exactly its motivation.

02-10-11, 05:11 PM	#4
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	The playing field should be level, the grass should be evenly cut (No making one group run through half a wheat field) and the winner at the end takes home the prize. The prize also shouldn't change based on race or gender either. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This guy is an idiot. Productivity has nothing to do race or citizenship. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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02-10-11, 03:57 PM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I think it has little to do with race, more economics. Certainly racism is at the core of many issues that lock people into lower lifestyles and non skilled labor, but it's more about money. If someone can do it as good cheaper, then that's what people care about. I was a Sr Project Manager for a large paint contractor for 20 years. When I first went to work for the company, we had over 200 employees, 90% white, few blacks and other races. We had large buildings and offices in 3 states and two small planes to travel. We paid a decent wage, had great benefits, etc.. We followed all laws, paid thousands to dispose of left over haz. waste monthly, followed lead laws..safety, etc. Slowly illegals took over, wages declined as the pro's fought to compete. Over the last 15 years I've seen the largest 8 in house paint contractors shut down, most in business since the 20's. First they dropped wages, then benefits, made every cut, but no way to compete against illegal labor. The few whites in business today have no employees, they sub it all out to a legal mexican that works nothing but illegals. Now large builders use illegals in mass. To be in this business and make a dime you dispose of your waste by throwing it on the ground, maybe 10% dispose legally, that means 100,000's of gals a year of strong chemicals get dumped in yards, dumpters, down sinks, toilets, etc. (paint thinner, epoxy thinner, MEK, alcohol) Then drop benefits and work illegals as cheap as you can, no safety laws, ect. A once professional trade went down the toilet. Do they work hard, have skills, sure. Most whites won't work for the wage now, no benefits, etc.. but all these skilled trades once worked well, paid well with benefits to Americans and they got the job done, painting, framing, bricklayers....the wage is almost the same now as it was 15 years ago. In our richest neighborhood, full of white GOP members you'll hear them talk about illegals ruining the nation, why at the same time they're using them doing painting, yardwork, building on, you name it. This neighborhood looks like lil mexico in the morning with all the illegals showing up for work. You'll find very few whites. We have to follow laws, pay taxes, insurance. If we break the laws, we pay hefty fines, the illegals go hide and can't be found. In the upper trades, illegals can't break in due to license status or education. It's really nothing but class warfare, americans taking advantage of illegals over paying for legal americans to do the job. Just imagine if we allowed illegals to have this effect on skilled and professional trades...No, that class would solve illegal immigration in a week...Illegal Lawyers, Doctors, ect., Mexico has plenty that would work here illegally if they could. It's nothing but class warfare, the rich getting cheap labor and denying a decent wage and benefits as they have to legal americans.

02-10-11, 04:20 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well, on a personal level, that senator can kiss my ass. I'm no stranger to back breaking work ,and i've NEVER been afraid of it. Also, what Armistead just said in the post above me. Americans were squeezed out of trade jobs because jackwagons started hiring illeagals so they could cut costs. ALong with that came the IT revolution. I remember in the past, i forget when exactly, but I was told by a professor that Blue collar jobs are going away. Well, yeah, they have. What hasn't been automated or shipped overseas, was domestically outsourced to Mexican nationals. Again, Mr Senator, KISS MY ASS. I'd love to be able to work with my hands and be outdoors again instead of sitting in this sensory deprivation chamber 8 hours a day under fluorescent lighting.

02-10-11, 04:21 PM	#3
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Illegal immigration is often sold as a victimless crime but really there are a multiple of victims. The immigrants themselves are actually victims in that they do backbreaking work for low under the table pay which in turn drives wages for that field into the dirt and the only winner is the corporate class that saves $$$ for what amounts to slavery. Its a lose lose situation and its far exceeded its time to put an end to it.