100 years later....sure could use him again.

I have no recall of the events related to who you are talking about or when they happened.

And even when you knew what you knew and knew that you knew it you were fairly sure it was still something else.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I never like Reagan all that much, but in this case you have no idea what you're talking about. The "treasonous scum" in this case was the segment of Congress who abused their authority to try to sink someone they already hated, much as the Republican Congress did in the Clinton impeachment. Sure, they had some cause, but their cause was wrong and they paid for it. North like to the team sent to seek his help, but in front of the Congress he told the truth, and they set themselves up so they couldn't do anything about it once they realized their own stupidity.

In this case I lump you in the same box as Bubblehead - the box for the people who are already convinced of their own rightness and are incapable of admitting that anyone who disagrees has any value at all.

In the words of Ben Franklin, "Blame-All and Praise-All are two blockheads."

Only the greated American heroes lie to Congress, those who are above all law and accountability.

Only the greated American heroes lie to Congress, those who are above all law and accountability.

The good thing there with what Steve wrote is that you don't need to go anywhere near the congress for the D "witch-hunt" you don't have to go anywhere near the "liberal" media, you can stick around the one party itself for good on the record sources where they hang the treason up for all to see.
I am sure Steve knows well enough where to find that severe condemnation of the acts as harmful to america, harmful to its allies, illegal , beneficial to its enemies, contrary to law, counter productive for American policies, corrupt........it just goes on and on and they managed that despite the destruction of evidence, the severe restrictions on scope and the limited time fame

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Liberal sources???????
I see you are focusing on congress, it goes way beyond that.

And you just said exactly nothing. I was referring to the biased sources you heard the story from. All the evidence is circumstatial, or there would have been more done. It was a congressional witchhunt.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And you just said exactly nothing. I was referring to the biased sources you heard the story from. All the evidence is circumstatial, or there would have been more done. It was a congressional witchhunt.

Why are you bothering with him Steve? You know he's just going to keep saying nothing. It's his specialty.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Only the greated American heroes lie to Congress, those who are above all law and accountability.

Evidence, please, not just rhetoric. As with my Franklin quote, both you and those you oppose you only credit your own version, and like to spout commentary without ever showing hard evidence. Accountability applies to you as well.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Why are you bothering with him Steve? You know he's just going to keep saying nothing. It's his specialty.

Because Tribesman actually gives valid arguments from time to time. It's true he sometimes doesn't, but unlike Torvald and Angus (and Bubblehead), he does actually discuss things from time to time.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Because Tribesman actually gives valid arguments from time to time. It's true he sometimes doesn't, but unlike Torvald and Angus (and Bubblehead), he does actually discuss things from time to time.

Well I have yet to see one. Maybe it was disguised by his usual ration of condescension and scorn.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by August

Why are you bothering with him Steve? You know he's just going to keep saying nothing. It's his specialty.

I always look forward to reading what Steve has to say. There's something to be said about subtlety and he does it so well. I'll take subtlety over vulgarity any day.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

IIn the words of Ben Franklin, "Blame-All and Praise-All are two blockheads."

I love that! Going to use it myself! Sooooo true isn't it?

Well I have yet to see one

That is because you wouldn't recognise one if it jumped up and down in front of you with a huge sign displaying simple words in big letters while backed by an orcherstra playing the "you missed the point" concerto.

Because Tribesman actually gives valid arguments from time to time.

Forget it, August is just a troll.

And you just said exactly nothing. I was referring to the biased sources you heard the story from.

The source was republican led and republican run, so does that mean you are jumping to assumptions like MH did last week?
You should realise by now that like if you wish to criticise US foriegn policy the best source is the US State Dept. as that way people can't argue without destoying their own claims.
Likewise when the democrat led congress does its own report against a republican policy then its best to go elsewhere.

All the evidence is circumstatial

Rubbish, no one denies that arms went to Iran and no one denies that aid went to the terrorists in central America, it is plain that both were illegal.
So Steve where do you think stuff like this.....as harmful to america, harmful to its allies, illegal , beneficial to its enemies, contrary to law, counter productive for American policies, corrupt........it just goes on and on and they managed that despite the destruction of evidence, the severe restrictions on scope and the limited time fame ......can be found?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That is because you wouldn't recognise one if it jumped up and down in front of you with a huge sign displaying simple words in big letters while backed by an orcherstra playing the "you missed the point" concerto.

That was pretty funny. Unfortunately not true.

Forget it, August is just a troll.

Tribesman: "August is just a troll."

August: "Tribesman is just a troll."

What if you're both right?

What if you're both wrong?

Name-calling is counter-productive, no matter who does it. And I've done it too.

Rubbish, no one denies that arms went to Iran and no one denies that aid went to the terrorists in central America, it is plain that both were illegal.
So Steve where do you think stuff like this.....as harmful to america, harmful to its allies, illegal , beneficial to its enemies, contrary to law, counter productive for American policies, corrupt........it just goes on and on and they managed that despite the destruction of evidence, the severe restrictions on scope and the limited time fame ......can be found?

So why didn't Reagan go to jail? Because no one could prove that he did anything worthy of trial, let alone conviction.

I don't mind the accusations, as I don't worship anybody. But your arguments to tend to be more than a little one-sided. Like the conservatives, you like to accuse the other side and defend your own, and there is little actual discussion.

Me, I don't like either side, or sides in general.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

What if you're both right?

I'm right, he's not.

So why didn't Reagan go to jail? Because no one could prove that he did anything worthy of trial, let alone conviction.

Al Capone only fiddled his taxes.

But your arguments to tend to be more than a little one-sided.

The arguements come from the Republican led Republican majority inquiry commisioned and accepted by the Republican President.
Are you saying my points are too pro-Republican?

Did you notice that the initial response was in criticism of people who were praising him and saying he had done all the bad stuff he was accused of and North was great for taking the blame and covering up/destroying the evidence of what had been done?

You keep coming back to the lack of a trial or conviction, that is irrelevant as all parties agree that the arms deals and aid to terrorists was illegal and that they happened.

[Oberon]

Well, I don't remember much of Reagans time, but I have to agree with TLAM Strike and Tak, he may not have been the greatest politician of all time, or perhaps even the greatest President, but damn could he tell a tale. I'd much rather have Reagan up on the podium doing a speech than Obama, Bush (both) or Clinton, and at the end of the day, as a figurehead, that is a good part of the job. So, I would put Reagan high up the list of good presidents, but I would probably not call him the godlike figure that some people make him out to be, he's just human like the rest of us.