Federal judge rules Obama care Unconsititutional

[CaptainHaplo]

Aliens on Mars...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3406300128.html

I linked it - its on the interwebs... it must be true.

Seriously, back to the OP - I do like the homeless quote. Goes to show how stupid the idea is that if you can't afford health insurance, we will charge you a fine. I guess few on the left have ever heard the old saying "You can't get blood out of a turnip".

[breadcatcher101]

I would think the whole plan would be canned if the SC agrees.

I am sure there are good things in it, I haven't read all of it.

For example doing away with pre-existing conditions would be good, especially the way the insurance companies are taking advantage of it.
This was meant to keep people from taking advantage of the insurance companies but now it is the other way around.

Let's say you or your family elect not to have health insurance. You find one of your kids has to have a minor operation, so you get him/her on a policy. After the operation you cancle the coverage until next time you need it. This isn't fair to the insurance company IMO.

Now, let's say you have always had coverage, but have switched jobs and have a new plan with a different company. In most cases you pay for full coverage even though you have a 2 year wait on pre-existing conditions. Not so bad, you'd think, but if years back a tumor was found and removed under your old plan and over the course of the next 2/5 years you go back for routine follow up blood tests and X rays, the new plan would not cover it--even though you are paying full coverage rates, you are in fact not getting what you are paying for which is full coverage.

In this case the insurance compamy is taking advantage of you, the other way around.

Things in it that are bad? IMO there are many.

For example:

It gives the goverment direct access to your bank accounts in order to withdraw money, ref pages 58 and 59.

It doesn't apply to all Americans, with union members, groups like ACORN, and of course congress theirselves, refer to page 65.

The goverment will set what doctors will be paid and all will make the same, regardless of their specialty, refer to pages 241 and 253.

Cancer care will be rationed according to the patient's age, refer to page 272.

Ones on SS will be required to attend a "end of life planning" seminar every 5 years, refer to page 425.

The goverment chooses which doctors will write an end-of-life order, refer to page 429.

This is a dandy: The bill would give insurance to those who are not even Americans that are in the country illegally, refer to page 50.

There are many others, but it is no wonder congress elected not to be a subject of such a thing.

Funny now that the house speaker said we have to pass it on order for us to see what was in it.

[Platapus]

Could you post the link you used for the page references. Some sites have the act formatted differently so the page numbers don't always match up.

Thanks.

[Tchocky]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-needs-check-/

Some of it from here, maybe?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Aramike

I mean like anything costing excessive amounts in dollars annually.

Imagine this: no lifetime coverage limits. Insurers being able to cover preexisting conditions because of liability limits. Lower premiums.

...yet still enough out-of-pocket expense to prevent the excess strain on the system caused by free access everytime one has the sniffles.

Originally Posted by Aramike

If I had my way the government would insure catastrophic events and the rest would stay privatized.

An interesting proposal.

[Bubblehead1980]

This ruling is from a Federal Judge in my hometown, which is kind of "cool".


Anyone who knows the Constitution is well aware that the mandate is unconstitutional.I am a first year law student and one of the required first year classes is Constitutional Law.Obama, who is no fan of the Constitution(because it stands in the way of his agenda) does know the Constitution, he went to law school and(ironically) taught constitutional law(kind of scary this guy teaching others) in Chicago. Judges who ruled in favor are well aware of this but they let their left wing views prevent them from being objective.Found it funny when Barry accused the Judge of judicial activism for adhering to the constitution.

You know, Obama admin could have filed for severability,but they did not so now the entire law will sink or swim.

Anyway, good job to the Judge, can't wait for this to get to SCOTUS, it will come down to Kennedy but will be shocked if he goes with the government on this one.Most likely a 5-4 striking Obamacare down.

P.S. Props to the judge for using Barry's own words against him, shows his hyprocrisy.

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

An interesting proposal.

Yeah, it is, actually. But it would need copays substantial enough to deter people seeking emergent care for non-emergent conditions.

Since I agree with the recent ruling 100% regarding any law requiring someone to buy something they'd need to set it up as a tax program like SS (I was against republican plans that had mandates for the same reason—they are grossly beyond the scope of government power (and yeah, I'm against requiring insurance to have a car as well)). They should dismantle medicaid completely (it is hopelessly broken), and repeal medicare part D (no one who paid in and is now collected expected free prescriptions during their working lives).

Catastrophic care insurance is also the least expensive, and most important from a public standpoint (since anyone showing up in an ER emergently MUST be seen, period). This would guarantee payment for trauma facilities, etc. Note that private is still an option here. the government would simply put out a bid for 300 million customers, and play hardball on cost and benefits.

The should also change the rules so insurance can compete over state lines (odd that congress decides to rape the interstate commerce clause for this terrible bill, yet didn't bother to actually regulate interstate commerce and allow insurance to become competitive across state lines).