Gaza aid flotilla raid: Turkey criticises Israel report

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Does it!? Last thing I learned about it was that it was officially banned over charges of racism and inflammatory hate propaganda. I mentioned this in one posting here or in another thread.

If they have chnaged their mind, then some lobbies have done a hgreat job again. The first movie already was an insult of human dignity, and hate-dripping racism pure. It painted Israelis as being as bad - if not worse - than Nazi war criminals and doctpors doiung experiments in KZs. From what I heared, the second movie now should be even worse, if that even is possible.

According to the article, so it should be, but it will come out in other countries first, and then in Israel, of course

You takings bull again or tried to read between lines again and came up with UFO theory.

Your very silly assumptions are there throughout the topic in plain writing by yourself for all to see.

Israel can survive here only from position of strength we never will be welcomed here.

Which is why your views are anti Israel as you support measures which are not only weakening the State but demonstrating the weakness in a very public manner.

It definitely brought some peace to southern Israel.

In a set of questions that can only have one possible answer you balk at facing facts
That shows all that needs to be said, you simply cannot face reality and either avoid issues raised or simply lie and throw about baseless accusations.
Get well soon, that flu must have gone right to the head.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Your very silly assumptions are there throughout the topic in plain writing by yourself for all to see.
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Really?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Which is why your views are anti Israel as you support measures which are not only weakening the State but demonstrating the weakness in a very public manner.

Quite apposite.
Try to prove otherwise for once

Originally Posted by Tribesman

In a set of questions that can only have one possible answer you balk at facing facts
That shows all that needs to be said, you simply cannot face reality and either avoid issues raised or simply lie and throw about baseless accusations.

You did not rise any issues so far....you only wrote remarks as "layer" or "start thinking" while trying to find in any thing that Israel does some evil doing just because it doesn't feet your view what ever it may be.

Really?

Yes, plainly.

Try to prove otherwise for once

You proved it for me yourself but are too blind to see.

You did not rise any issues so far

So you havn't made any claims and I havn't raised any issues??????

You can't help lying can you, have you thought of seeking help?

while trying to find in any thing that Israel does some evil doing just because it doesn't feet your view what ever it may be.

You are flailing about blindly, you appear totally clueless which really is quite an achievement, not a good achievement but a truly astounding one none the less.

[MH]

Originally Posted by MH

Really?


Quite apposite.
Try to prove otherwise for once


You did not rise any issues so far....you only wrote remarks as "layer" or "start thinking" while trying to find in any thing that Israel does some evil doing just because it doesn't feet your view what ever it may be.

So you keep om answering me....go join the four world story thread some really serious issues await your attention.
Have fun and thnx

go join the four world story thread

I take it you must mean the one letter non fiction thread as you have shown severe problem writing anything thats true

[Jan Kyster]

Last night turkish police got into heavy fighting with kurd supporters... again...



Anyone up for sending a Kurdish Aid Ship to Turkey?

Anyone up for calling the Turkish report just as good and unbiased as the Israeli one?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

According to the article, so it should be, but it will come out in other countries first, and then in Israel, of course

It did start indeed. The ban has been changed into an age 18 movie. Some cinemas whom got offered the movie seem to voluntarily boycot it. It seems it also is shown on none of the major stages here, but in small niche cinemas only.

The scaring thing is that reports from Turkey that where on TV yesterday showed interviews with movie visitors there - and the answers show that most people seem to take it's narration as a documentary fact and say it displays how reality really is.

Well, hate propaganda.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It did start indeed. The ban has been changed into an age 18 movie. Some cinemas whom got offered the movie seem to voluntarily boycot it. It seems it also is shown on none of the major stages here, but in small niche cinemas only.

The scaring thing is that reports from Turkey that where on TV yesterday showed interviews with movie visitors there - and the answers show that most people seem to take it's narration as a documentary fact and say it displays how reality really is.

Well, hate propaganda.

Yes,it sucks....

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Vendor

The film, Valley of the Wolves: Palestine, opens this weekend. It has already stirred controversy for its simplistic portrayal of Israelis as brutal oppressors of the Palestinians.
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The movie's opening in Germany, which has a large Turkish community, was delayed by a day while the official film regulator considered how to rate it. Some German politicians have condemned it as anti-Semitic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12306796

mostly accurate, but there is no "official film regulator" here, lol. Films get rated by the industry themselves, comparing to the mpaa in the US. Their age ratings however are mostly legal binding .

Originally Posted by Skybird

Does it!? Last thing I learned about it was that it was officially banned over charges of racism and inflammatory hate propaganda. I mentioned this in one posting here or in another thread.

When you describe something, make it accurate and not look like films gets banned by a snip of the finger in Germany. I dont know what your sources are, but a ban of the film was not in stated anywhere. The whole thing revolved around the question if the film gets a rating from the german movie rating organization FSK or not.
Please check out the difference between rated 18, not rated, indexed (indiziert), and confiscated (beschlagnahmt). You'll find a good overwiew here: http://www.medienzensur.de/
What you descibe as banned would mean that a movie is violating german laws, and would eventually be forbidden. This means in reality that the movie must not be shown in public, nor that its' distribution is allowed. The posession is still legal, even in the case of being banned.
When a film is not rated, or put on index, it is still possible to watch him in cinema, however no minors and no advertisement would be allowed.

Originally Posted by Skybird

It did start indeed. The ban has been changed into an age 18 movie.

There was no ****ing ban! How can it change then?
I am very sensitive when it comes to censorship issues, that's why I think it's impoprtant to go with the facts.
And I find it rather odd that the same people who cry "suppression of speech", when it comes to their own opinion are the same people who demand censorship when it comes to other voices... They want the same laws, which are used against them, to use against opposing views.

[Skybird]

Penguin,

FYI, I took the info on that ban from one of the major German newspapers, though I cannot tell you exactly which one it was. I do a daily scan of the headlines, and if interested the according articles, of Die Welt, FAZ, Tagesspiegel, Focus, Der Spiegel, Die Zeit, Westfälische Nachrichten, Frankfurter Rundschau and occasionally some others, plus a dozen international ones, also some spwecialised sites and blogs and political magazines and economic sites. From any of these German ones the news was coming. It apparently was a mislead news message, okay. I cannot change that, nor am I responsible for it having been wrong. It was not the first time and it will not have been the last time the news said something wrong (and I still cannot say for sure that the ban was not considered in the beginning, and then given up: here in Münster for example one cinema was told to withdraw the movie from its' planned previews: and it did, but the director refused to also take off the posters in the windows, already assuming that the order was in doubt, obviously, this little sidestory I have read in the Westfälische Nachrichten for sure, some days after the news on the ban in the same or any other German paper).

If all this is a problem for you, well, so be it. I just referred to news as was available when I did.

BTW, there are some movies that are not only banned from display and distribution while being legal to own, but that you also may not legally own at all in Germany. The movie "Jud Süss" that I referred to, is such a movie. Such movies are banned not by the Freiwillige Selbstkontrolle, but by authorities ranking higher. The FSK is just a consumer "protection" censorship, no guard to protect criminal laws and constitutional rules.

They want the same laws, which are used against them, to use against opposing views.

Thats an issue another poster brings up quite often in relation to Skys posts, roughly ...."you appear to be the very thing which you warn us we must stop"

[Penguin]

The only major newspaper which wrote about a ban was "Die Welt" on January the 25th. http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/a...tscheiden.html
They quoted the turkish broadcaster NTV who claimed that the film was forbidden. From a german journalist I expect to know his stuff when they write about german laws and do not utter stuff or quote claims without checking out the facts. The turkish NTV journalist obviously was thinking about their own, draconic censorship laws when they fabricated their bs. However this says much the work ethos of both "journalists"
"Die Welt" from the next day stated a more correct version about the film rating: http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompak...-ins-Kino.html - nothing about a ban to read there

Given the fact that we have an international community reading the stuff here, I want correct facts about bans and censorship in Deutschland. Note: I do not say that I approve the film, I share the opinion that it is a dumb flic. It's like learning about Viet Nam from Rambo 2. But I do not believe in forbidding films. The people who will be influenced by it are too stupid to understand any facts about the conflict anyway.

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and I still cannot say for sure that the ban was not considered in the beginning, and then given up: here in Münster for example one cinema was told to withdraw the movie from its' planned previews: and it did, but the director refused to also take off the posters in the windows, already assuming that the order was in doubt, obviously, this little sidestory I have read in the Westfälische Nachrichten for sure, some days after the news on the ban in the same or any other German paper

So that translates as the film wasn't banned but was delayed as it was submitted too late for the review, the previews in cinemas were not shown as they had the old planned release date and the posters remained as they advertised the film but not the old planned release date.

Thats quite a convoluted way skybird went through with some dodgy claims in what was basicly a small story about a even crappier film version of a crap TV show.