Gaza aid flotilla raid: Turkey criticises Israel report

[MH]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Turkey and the EU, not a good combination, the country has many problems and is likely to remain unresolved for a long time.

When you combine EU problems and Turky's they just might meet somewhere in the middle.

[Gerald]

The speculation, whether it was a speculation, that I do not buy, but would agree that the EU has problems, and many bureaucratic those unfortunately

you don't just run a military blockade and expect everybody to be all honkey dory about it.

Military blockade????
It was a customs issue.

Letting food and other supplies not only feeds supporters of Hamas, it feeds Hamas itself proper. Britain would never have dreamed of letting food ships into Germany During the blitz when the Nazis were shooting rockets at them...so why are the Israelis supposed to allow this?

What a strange statement. Leaving aside the complete mix up of situations and laws you are making the best response is.....
The Israelis are supposed to allow this because the Israelis are supposed to allow this and have signed up to the laws that says they are supposed to allow it.
If they don't want to allow it then they must officaly abandon the laws and become an openly declared pariah state.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Military blockade????
It was a customs issue.


What a strange statement. Leaving aside the complete mix up of situations and laws you are making the best response is.....
The Israelis are supposed to allow this because the Israelis are supposed to allow this and have signed up to the laws that says they are supposed to allow it..

Israel does what is best for its interest.
Should we ask Irish or hammas whats good for us.
I haven't seen you criticizing hammas even onece-don't you agree that its extremist Islamic terror organization that has no respect for international law?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If they don't want to allow it then they must officaly abandon the laws and become an openly declared pariah state.

Common cut this crap you must be really anti...you dig to hard to back up your false perceptions of Israel.
If you are so concerned about Palestinians in Gaza just keep the supplies coming through Israeli ports instead of breaking blockade.
The later it seems serves people like you better.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Turkey and the EU, not a good combination, the country has many problems and is likely to remain unresolved for a long time.

I agree. The stubborness of Islam when it comes to international or even national....or regional...or munincipal...or civil unions could only be problematic for the EU, and the EU doesn't need any more problems than it already has.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

and the EU doesn't need any more problems than it already has.

It has no problems - it IS the problem. Due to its structural design and new agenda since German reunification, changing its intention dramatically from a federation of sovereign, cooperating states, towards a federal state run by a cynical carricature of "democracy".

Destroy it, make room for a new effort, start from scratch. And destroy the lobbies and oligarchies in European states first, else it is doomed from restart on to just fail once again. Reforming it they claim since decades - always moving from bad to worse that way. Single good decisions and changes here and there are nice, but do not compensate for the overall damage being done. The good is far too little, the bad is ways too much.

This restart will not be accievable without painful changes and losses. But the pain and loss from staying with how it is and moves on, is even greater.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This restart will not be accievable without painful changes and losses. But the pain and loss from staying with how it is and moves on, is even greater.

I reckon the only way the EU would be dismantled now would be as a consequence of a war between member states/nations and nobody in their right mind should want to see that happen.

Another possibility might be as a result of member states/nations leaving one by one because of the affordability issues economically and monetary but I should imagine bail outs will become much more common practice in the future.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It has no problems - it IS the problem. Due to its structural design and new agenda since German reunification, changing its intention dramatically from a federation of sovereign, cooperating states, towards a federal state run by a cynical carricature of "democracy".

I know that, Sky. I've always argued against federalization of states for that reason.

The problem is that if you destroyed and rebuilt it, it would end up the same way. A federal power structure is like a universal equation; no matter what variables you plug in, it will always end up the same way. Centralization of power has only one possible outcome - power in the hands of those most inclined to wield it.

[VonHesse]

So Israel's internal review found that israel was in no way at fault, and that all actions were in accordance with international law... Right, and jerrod lee loughner(sp?) plead "not guilty" for the tuscon shooting yesterday. Surprised? I'm not.

[MH]

Originally Posted by VonHesse

So Israel's internal review found that israel was in no way at fault, and that all actions were in accordance with international law... Right, and jerrod lee loughner(sp?) plead "not guilty" for the tuscon shooting yesterday. Surprised? I'm not.

Two foreign observers Brig. Gen. Ken Watkin of Canada and Lord David Trimble of Northern Ireland, have both signed off on the report's conclusions.

Jerrord Lee must be then Mossad agent i guess right?

[gimpy117]

to be honest, the Muslims are going to say everything they can to inflate the claims of violence. They will of course paint the victims as "peaceful activists" who are just people trying to support the people of gaza. And maybe to some small extent thats true. But they were also trying to run a MILITARY BLOCKADE. and this food is going to a region that is shooting missiles around the place.

....................?

Its very simple MH. What part of "your military" don't you understand?
Is it just that you are in denial of the problems they regularly highlight just like you keep on being in denial about the problems Israel faces from within?

and this food is going to a region that is shooting missiles around the place.

This food is going to a place full of people
The missiles are irrelevant. Israel has an obligation, the blockade was in violation of that obligation.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its very simple MH. What part of "your military" don't you understand?
Is it just that you are in denial of the problems they regularly highlight just like you keep on being in denial about the problems Israel faces from within?

You try to make impression of someone well informed but when challenged its always those fuzzy answers.
BW
Im well aware of Israeli internal problems but they are not as dire as you might like them to be...just because you read Haaretz it doesn't mean that you are well informed.
It just means you red most likely but not necessarily far left opinion.
I'm leftist on many internal issues but haaretz sometimes is taking it to a whole new level with its hysteria and antagonism.
You also must be aware then that those internal problems have little to do with foreign policy since the parties involved are quite neutral on this issue-thats way its convenient to have them in coalition for left or right.