Repeal of Obamacare

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

What about them? I haven't heard anything in the way of "OMG! WTFBBQ?!?!!" coming from them out on the issue.

and you wouldn't, they are getting their way on the issue completely unchallenged and without compromise of any kind.

i think 90% of this complaining from the right would vanish overnight if participation were made less intrusive and more optional.

[Armistead]

What I find laughable is both sides alway agree the CBO's numbers are most correct. The CBO's number shows that the Dems plan saves much more money so what does the GOP do, ignore the CBO's numbers and create their own.

About 50% of businesses with over 50 employees provide some form of insurance. If you have less than 50, doesn't effect you, which is a majority of small business...so Obamacare isn't coverage for all.

Insurance corps will do everything to repeal government healthcare laws.
One of the most profitable corps ever. They didn't do so based on competition, but because they're a political monopoly.

Let's also be honest..if the Dems didn't bring up healthcare, the GOP wouldn't even be talking about anything, they would continue as is and all facts show as it will lead to a total breakdown in less than 20 years where only the elite class would have coverage.

Lack of medical insurance by all studies is much more expensive. Man gets sick, ignores illness , no insurance...get's chronically ill, spends all assets now trying to get care, goe's bankrupt and homeless...creditors eat that. Finally, on his last leg he runs to the emergency room condition life threatening. Cost go into 100's of thousands. He can no longer work, so now goes on an already overloaded medicare system and applies for SS, foodstamps,S8 housing, ect......This happens to thousands every year. Had he had early testing, could've been treated.

An average of 2 million people a year are now losing health coverage...yea, let's keep ignoring it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Had he had early testing, could've been treated.

Oh sure.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111602822.html

Women in their 40s should stop routinely having annual mammograms and older women should cut back to one scheduled exam every other year, an influential federal task force has concluded, challenging the use of one of the most common medical tests.

Early screening...not needed according to the Fed.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Oh sure.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111602822.html



Early screening...not needed according to the Fed.

Take a visit to your local emergency room at a state run hospital. If someone is ill with no insurance and runs to a regular private doc, guess where they send them to get help. Guess what cost more. My daughter is a social worker at Baptist in Winston Salem NC, she signs all these people up. If someone is ill, she tells them to keep going and getting help regardless until you run up 6K in bills so you can get medicare, then the Doctors will take time to treat a chronic illness. Obvious you have to spend yourself into poverty first, no equity in a home, ect....many then put it off longer, but end up sicker, just go bankrupt, then qualify.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Take a visit to your local emergency room at a state run hospital. If someone is ill with no insurance and runs to a regular private doc, guess where they send them to get help. Guess what cost more. My daughter is a social worker at Baptist in Winston Salem NC, she signs all these people up. If someone is ill, she tells them to keep going and getting help regardless until you run up 6K in bills so you can get medicare, then the Doctors will take time to treat a chronic illness. Obvious you have to spend yourself into poverty first, no equity in a home, ect....many then put it off longer, but end up sicker, just go bankrupt, then qualify.

The hospital can absorb these unpaid costs. These are passed on to the folks who are paying for insurance. So tell me, why does it cost more? To cover those that do not have coverage? As far as running yourself into poverty: My wifes' aunt without any insurance had a gastric bypass surgery performed. When done she was put on a payment plan that she could afford.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The hospital can absorb these unpaid costs. These are passed on to the folks who are paying for insurance. So tell me, why does it cost more? To cover those that do not have coverage? As far as running yourself into poverty: My wifes' aunt without any insurance had a gastric bypass surgery performed. When done she was put on a payment plan that she could afford.

Search hosipitals closing down and you'll see many can't.

So you admit you're paying for others care through your own policy, plus any cash you spend. Would it not be better if people could afford their own care? Again, the GOP wouldn't even be talking about the issue unless the Dems made it one....remember Hillary, if only we addressed the issue then, now it's mass chaos.

Your Aunt is lucky. My wife deals mostly with unemployed that deal with chronic illness. You'll get better care if you have a one time problem, even more if it's life threatening...they have to treat you.

My wife see's many now that were middle class just a few years ago, mainly in construction, because it died here. I'm talking skilled labor. Most owned homes, not castles...With a job loss, the only income they have may be unemployment...it doesn't even pay the normal bills. If they were ill, on meds, working disabled, ect...they lost insurance with the job. The issue for many is they either keep a roof over their kids heads or buy meds...most parents will go without healthcare to feed their kids. Some of them deal with illness that could be controlled, but they chose to take care of family over themselves, end up getting worse and in the hospital. This effects millions of people.

So since we already pay for it, the issue is how to make it affordable for all. Study the history, healthcare went to hell when it became corporate controlled for mass profit, both in medicine and insurance, both have become political monopolies.,,thanks mostly to the GOP, they've now become a corportate controlled party.

Better hope they fix it, if not, in ten years your insurance premiums will take 30-50% of your salary depending on the plan.

My guess is if the GOP had their way, if they get controlled, they'll talk a lot about it, do little or nothing and find a way for corps to get even richer off the illness of people.

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

...that were middle class just a few years ago, mainly in construction, because it died here. I'm talking skilled labor.

Well part of the problem is the redefinition of what constitutes "Middle class". It used to describe the owner of a construction company, not the guys who worked for him, skilled laborers or not.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Armistead

What I find laughable is both sides alway agree the CBO's numbers are most correct. The CBO's number shows that the Dems plan saves much more money so what does the GOP do, ignore the CBO's numbers and create their own.

About 50% of businesses with over 50 employees provide some form of insurance. If you have less than 50, doesn't effect you, which is a majority of small business...so Obamacare isn't coverage for all.

Insurance corps will do everything to repeal government healthcare laws.
One of the most profitable corps ever. They didn't do so based on competition, but because they're a political monopoly.

Let's also be honest..if the Dems didn't bring up healthcare, the GOP wouldn't even be talking about anything, they would continue as is and all facts show as it will lead to a total breakdown in less than 20 years where only the elite class would have coverage.

Lack of medical insurance by all studies is much more expensive. Man gets sick, ignores illness , no insurance...get's chronically ill, spends all assets now trying to get care, goe's bankrupt and homeless...creditors eat that. Finally, on his last leg he runs to the emergency room condition life threatening. Cost go into 100's of thousands. He can no longer work, so now goes on an already overloaded medicare system and applies for SS, foodstamps,S8 housing, ect......This happens to thousands every year. Had he had early testing, could've been treated.

An average of 2 million people a year are now losing health coverage...yea, let's keep ignoring it.

Good point and I am pretty sure everyone agrees the system needs to be changed in order to allow more access and reduce costs.However, Obamacare is blatantly unconstitutional due to the individual mandate and thus must be repealed and replaced as the GOP vowed to.Really should disturb everyone that Obama and the authors of this bill seek the power for the government to force citizens to purchase health insurance.They seek the power to penalize citizens for not doing so.Give them an inch, they will take a mile.

[AVGWarhawk]

Good point and I am pretty sure everyone agrees the system needs to be changed in order to allow more access and reduce costs.

of course it does. This bill however put the cart before the horse.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and you wouldn't, they are getting their way on the issue completely unchallenged and without compromise of any kind.