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August · 01-15-11, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Anyway it is an atrocity to make a film, call it "U-571" and introduce US sailors to having captured the boat

The guys that captured the U-505 might disagree about the use of the word "atrocity".

Catfish · 01-16-11, 06:20 AM

Hello August,
- hehe, touché

But then in 1944 the struggle for decryption information was already decided, from Dolphin and Shark, to Ultra.

Even the initial english boarding crews were more interested in getting the keycode papers, than the Enigma machines itself. Towards the end of the war the "bombes" in Bletchley Park decyphered any Triton message within 24 hours - at least that is what propaganda tells us today

Greetings,
Catfish

Oberon · 01-16-11, 08:37 AM

In the encryption battle we would have been completely lost without the Polish. They were well ahead of us in cracking the code, and thankfully they shared what they'd learnt on the eve of the Second World War.

Gordon Welchman:
"Hut 6 Ultra would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military version of the commercial Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use."

Peter Calvocoressi:
"The one moot point is - how valuable? According to the best qualified judges it accelerated the breaking of Enigma by perhaps a year. The British did not adopt Polish techniques but they were enlightened by them."

The Polish Cryptologists are often overlooked but they were an absolutely vital part of the Enigma story, and they had a harder time of it than Bletchley Park, at one point hiding out in France and French Algeria and decoding on the quiet.

Catfish · 01-16-11, 01:16 PM

Hello,
well written :
http://cryptocellar.web.cern.ch/cryp...MTR-2066-2.pdf

01-16-11, 06:20 AM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,775 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello August, - hehe, touché But then in 1944 the struggle for decryption information was already decided, from Dolphin and Shark, to Ultra. Even the initial english boarding crews were more interested in getting the keycode papers, than the Enigma machines itself. Towards the end of the war the "bombes" in Bletchley Park decyphered any Triton message within 24 hours - at least that is what propaganda tells us today Greetings, Catfish Last edited by Catfish; 01-16-11 at 12:46 PM.

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01-16-11, 08:37 AM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	In the encryption battle we would have been completely lost without the Polish. They were well ahead of us in cracking the code, and thankfully they shared what they'd learnt on the eve of the Second World War. Gordon Welchman: "Hut 6 Ultra would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military version of the commercial Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use." Peter Calvocoressi: "The one moot point is - how valuable? According to the best qualified judges it accelerated the breaking of Enigma by perhaps a year. The British did not adopt Polish techniques but they were enlightened by them." The Polish Cryptologists are often overlooked but they were an absolutely vital part of the Enigma story, and they had a harder time of it than Bletchley Park, at one point hiding out in France and French Algeria and decoding on the quiet.

01-16-11, 01:16 PM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,775 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello, well written : http://cryptocellar.web.cern.ch/cryp...MTR-2066-2.pdf