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Old 01-15-11, 05:44 PM   #1
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The world should see much more of this kind of thing, perhaps the emphasis should be upon the media to focus more on the things everyone has in common, rather than that which is divisive?
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Old 01-16-11, 07:01 AM   #3
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The world should see much more of this kind of thing, perhaps the emphasis should be upon the media to focus more on the things everyone has in common, rather than that which is divisive?
Agreed.

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The world should see much more of this kind of thing, perhaps the emphasis should be upon the media to focus more on the things everyone has in common, rather than that which is divisive?
With events like described here being an exception from the rule, but Isalmic terror and local Islamic assassins in 2010 alone having killed 9175 people, having injured 17436, and having carried out 1987 attacks against members of other religions in 46 different countries, I dare say that what you recommend borders whitewashing reality.

Let's call things by their real names instead of deceiving ourselves about them.

Rockstar makes a correct reference to the different levels of "jihad" (I so far only knew four of the five meanings he separately listed). The last three in his list are those that characterise Islam as the political movement and ideology that it is in the main - the religious dimension as indicated in the first two is just the attempt of giving as self-justification for the political violence Islam intends. I always said that Islam is more a political ideology than a religious one, didn't I. This also is the characterisation and background of all passages in t he Auran that all for violence against everybody who does not submit to Islam's dogma and rules, including corrupted moderates and apostates, the killing of both is perfectly legal in Islam, and is being called for by the Quran and Hadith.

Sura 2.256 says "There is no compulsion in religion". This is often misunderstood and misinterpreted as that it says nobody is forced to beolieve in Islam. Buit when seeing it in context, it means something totally different, only expressing that a Muslim shall volunatrily believe in Islam, so that indeed he feels no pressure to do so. If looking beind the immediate sentence and seeing the context of that Sura 2, and others, you realise that the meaning of it comparees more to what Mr. Ford said when assembling his Model-T, being quoted with: "You can order it in any colour you want, as long as it is black."

The Quran cannot be correctly understood if atomistically and opportunistically picking just the smallest possible piece of micro-details and single sentences. That's why it is often said that it is "monolithic", both the book and the ideology it expresses. You need to reflect the whole thing together, and understand any quote in the context of the whole thing. And you need to understand that from a Muslim point of view the Quran, different to the Bible, is not the work of man reflecting aboiut history and poast events and God'S will, but is understood to be the revealed word of God himself. And who is man to want to "correct" and "interprete" God's very own words?
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