Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event

[Growler]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Well, this thread went to hell in a handbasket in record time.

The nice thing about handbaskets is that they burn almost completely, leaving a nice, powdery ash that's perfect for composting. The problem, of course, is getting your ash out of that hellhole.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Realy? You cannot differentiate between political speech and murder?

advocating killing somebody is now political speech?

"You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason, and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, My goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." -Sharron Angle

The point was, that the tea party had been offhandedly advocating violence, and now somebody who opposes them gets shot. So i don't think my speculation is so off base when candidates of the tea party have been saying things like that.

[GoldenRivet]

"You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason, and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, My goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." -Sharron Angle

EDIT:

"take them out" or "take him out" could mean any number of things.

usually - in the context used - it means "defeat"

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I hope you're not agreeing with that. Because that congresswoman with a bullet in her head is a lot like what it would actually be like. Think for one second what you are advocating, Murder, simply because you don't see eye to eye with somebody. In my mind, having to take up a gun because you can't talk it over with somebody is the ultimate disgrace.

[GoldenRivet]

i agree completely with the Sharron Angle quote.

see my post edit.

i seriously doubt she meant "kill" him

our nation has been involved in a civil war for some time - some know it... some dont... some refuse to accept it.

but thats how it is.

"America" ceases to be - we are now a multicultural land mass that has been pulled in so many directions its not even funny

[gimpy117]

well thats great rivet. whoopty dee. looks like somebody's ahead of you...because the rumor is she's dead.

and you don't find anything funny about juxtaposing the phrase: "take him out" after you just advocated armed revolution?

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well thats great rivet. whoopty dee. looks like somebody's ahead of you...because the rumor is she's dead.

CNN Live announced there will be a briefing before long on her condition. Which, given what the feeds are reporting on Google, it is looking like she is going to die. But maybe not. She might get lucky. I certainly hope so.

Apparently, a federal judge was one of the casualties (fatally wounded).

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Your speculation would defy history where most assasins are left leaning.

You claimed that, historically, most assassins are left-leaning. Now, where's your citation? Or are you just here to blabber on like a troll?

Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mpts_and_plots

[CCIP]

Geez, you guys jump all over CptSimFreak making a minor reference to a popularly-known issue in Arizona politics, without any alignment, and then devolve into politicking and aligning a completely unidentified assassin with parties and sociopolitical leanings. For shame, especially in this tragedy Really, stop this and think about the human side of this for a second.

My hunch is that the motivation for this is, as with many of these shootings by young people, a delusion of grandeur and thirst for instant celebrity. Herostratus' fame, etc.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well thats great rivet. whoopty dee. looks like somebody's ahead of you...because the rumor is she's dead.

this shooting is a terrible tragedy against our nation. thats a fact.

You twist my words gimpy - nobody in this thread is condoning violence.

but just because some lone gunman shoots someone doesnt mean there is a vast political conspiracy behind it.

you jumped that gun so to speak.

such an act cannot be tolerated, but it should also not be surprising when things are so polarized - politically speaking.

just send prayers to her family.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

this shooting is a terrible tragedy against our nation. thats a fact.

You twist my words gimpy - nobody in this thread is condoning violence.

but just because some lone gunman shoots someone doesnt mean there is a vast political conspiracy behind it.

you jumped that gun so to speak.

such an act cannot be tolerated, but it should also not be surprising when things are so polarized - politically speaking.

just send prayers to her family.

well I'm glad you don't "condone violence" but saying you agree with her statement is the next closest thing. In my mind, if you agree with somebody's statement who advocates armed revolution to get their way, then you condone violence.

oh here something too...she was in palin's crosshairs...how ironic.

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congr...ins-crosshairs

[GoldenRivet]

Maybe we should arrest Sarah Palin

Originally Posted by gimpy117

advocating killing somebody is now political speech?



The point was, that the tea party had been offhandedly advocating violence, and now somebody who opposes them gets shot. So i don't think my speculation is so off base when candidates of the tea party have been saying things like that.

Except the congress woman wasn't opposing the tea party. If you check her home page/if you can, you will find she was very much aligned with the tea party.

http://giffords.house.gov/

[mookiemookie]

Disgusting.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Geez, you guys jump all over CptSimFreak making a minor reference to a popularly-known issue in Arizona politics, without any alignment, and then devolve into politicking and aligning a completely unidentified assassin with parties and sociopolitical leanings. For shame, especially in this tragedy Really, stop this and think about the human side of this for a second.

My hunch is that the motivation for this is, as with many of these shootings by young people, a delusion of grandeur and thirst for instant celebrity. Herostratus' fame, etc.

I was on the line before, but without results, suggesting the lack of empathy, of some actors,