Sexiest Women of Science Fiction,

[TLAM Strike]

Doesn't mean it's not sometimes fun (I prefer TOS, campy though it may be), but claiming it is more that fluff is a sign you care too much about a TV show...

I think you are concentrating too much on the fluff and not the "deeper meaning" of TNG. Yes its crazy plots and people with rubber foreheads but its there to tell a story about the human condition, TOS and TNG were the only two Star Treks to really do that. After TNG it all became technobabble and alien of the week.

IMHO. Any random pick in my SF library is better than any ST:TNG episode. by a wide margin (I'll admit, I only kept good books, and dumped crappy ones).

I would say that Written Sci Fi is almost always better than TV and Movie Sci Fi. Just because you can do stuff you can't do in a 1 hr show or 2 hr movie. You will never see a ten year military STL expedition to Lalande 21185 in a movie!

All ST space combat is silly, BTW. Sad for those of us that dig space combat. When engagement ranges are SHORTER than mid 20th century naval combat... you're doing it wrong.

Agree with you there! I've never seen Space Combat done right in any sci fi TV show or Movie except for one early episode of (shudders) Andromeda...

Star Trek, ridiculous.
Star Wars, the same.
Battlestar Remake, good looking, got the weapons right but totally wrong in execution.
Stargate, much like Battlestar.

Fighter planes don't fight in visual range any more neither should space ships!


Actually the only time ST got space combat right was in TOS. Specifically Balance of Terror and The Ultimate Computer plus a few others.

BTW have you ever checked out Projectrho.com? I've dropped that name around here before and I think you would like it.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

IActually the only time ST got space combat right was in TOS. Specifically Balance of Terror and The Ultimate Computer plus a few others.

"Target coming into range, Captain! Ninety thousand kilometers!"

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

"Target coming into range, Captain! Ninety thousand kilometers!"

Sulu misplaced that decimal point a few places. The RCS thrusters on the Space Shuttle (the ones they use for station keeping and docking) can be spotted by another ship with present day passive detection systems at ranges in excess of 100 million kilometers.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sulu misplaced that decimal point a few places. The RCS thrusters on the Space Shuttle (the ones they use for station keeping and docking) can be spotted by another ship with present day passive detection systems at ranges in excess of 100 million kilometers.

ooo... source? I want to read this shi-!! (Seriously - this is cool to me.)

[Gerald]

This is hard stuff,

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sulu wasn't talking about detection range. Sulu was reporting effective weapons range.

Don't you know anything?

Still short range. 1 Light Second would be a more likely an effective weapons range (approx 300,000 km) since the Phasers on the Enterprise can fire in a barrage pattern and (somehow) detonate in proximity.

Originally Posted by Growler

ooo... source? I want to read this shi-!! (Seriously - this is cool to me.)

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/index.php

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Still short range. 1 Light Second would be a more likely an effective weapons range (approx 300,000 km) since the Phasers on the Enterprise can fire in a barrage pattern and (somehow) detonate in proximity.

I knew you were making this up as you went along!

1. The targetting computers weren't that accurate back in the old days.

2. Phasers don't detonate - that takes a photon torpedo.

3. I saw it in the show, so there!

4. My BS mojo juju magic tech is both prettier and shinier than yours, so there again!

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I knew you were making this up as you went along!

well how do you think I appear to know so much about everything!

1. The targetting computers weren't that accurate back in the old days.

They seem to be able to hit a specific building on a planet from orbit... seems accurate to me...

2. Phasers don't detonate - that takes a photon torpedo.

KIRK: Battle status?
SULU: All stations manned, Captain.
STILES: Phaser weapons energised. Set for proximity blast.

-Balance of Terror (TOS)

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I knew you were making this up as you went along!

1. The targetting computers weren't that accurate back in the old days.

2. Phasers don't detonate - that takes a photon torpedo.

3. I saw it in the show, so there!

4. My BS mojo juju magic tech is both prettier and shinier than yours, so there again!

This^^ They used photon torpedoes for barrages. Phaser for precise targets.

One of my favorits Scifi chicks. is Natasha henstridge..

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sulu misplaced that decimal point a few places. The RCS thrusters on the Space Shuttle (the ones they use for station keeping and docking) can be spotted by another ship with present day passive detection systems at ranges in excess of 100 million kilometers.

Sulu wasn't talking about detection range. Sulu was reporting effective weapons range.

Don't you know anything?

[Platapus]

I always got a chuckle when watching the original Battle Star Galatica when the officer would report that the cylons were 40 microns away.

Talk about waiting until you see the whites of their eyes.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sulu wasn't talking about detection range. Sulu was reporting effective weapons range.

Don't you know anything?

Are u sure,this is serious

[tater]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The RCS thrusters on the Space Shuttle (the ones they use for station keeping and docking) can be spotted by another ship with present day passive detection systems at ranges in excess of 100 million kilometers.

This is true. The notion of a spacecraft hiding is nonsense. Even just the temperature of the crew compartment (by definition some sort of comfy "room temperature" for humans) makes it visible in IR very far away using IR telescopes. Throw in any sort of drive capable of pushing it at high speed and ships don't hide.