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toniloCoyote · 01-06-11, 03:55 PM

Well, I'm running again.
First of all, thanks Markman, your help is still invaluable.
Trevally, I am very glad that you want to end this matter until it was as accurate as possible.

And now, good news:

I found the depth value for each vessel in their sim files. by means of the Goblin Editor. I had already found it yesterday, but did not believe that this was the real thing, because there was too much difference between this value and the one in the .cfg files.

As you can see the Liberty freighter sim file says that its depth is 8.2 (meters, I suppose) while the .cfg file says it is only 5.8

So what I did just now is to edit this value by Goblin, and change it to 2, and after several SH5 crashes, due to other reasons, here is the Liberty with its propeller in the air.

The question is: Is this value true (in the sim world)? is it really in meters?

As soon as I check it I'll start to write the list of values (of 3D models) for the drafts and the heights of the masts.
Do you know any way to check with accuracy that I am not wrong?

Trevally. · 01-06-11, 04:13 PM

Great work toniloCoyote

How about testing the "NBB_Littorio" I think the ship Makman gave us the correct mastheight for (Duilio) ia a clone of this one.

If we know from the sim the total height of this ship - and now can find the draft in the sim, we will know if the draft you are seeing is correct.

Mastheight was 47.82

toniloCoyote · 01-06-11, 04:23 PM

OK.

By now, we have:

NLL (Liberty)
---------------------------
Heigth (3D model) 34.397
draft (sim file) 8.2
---------------------------
mast (substract) 26.197

Mast in .cfg file = 27.1 (en el .cfg)

It sounds well. I've just found a way to check with total accuracy if the data gathered is being OK. I'll test it (and the NBB_Littorio).

Work in progress...

toniloCoyote · 01-06-11, 04:38 PM

More data:

NBB_Littorio
------------------
Height (3D Model) 58.420
draught (sim file) 10.5
------------------
mast (subtract) = 47.92

NBB_Duilio
---------------
Mast (cfg file) 47
Draft (cfg file) 8.9

Markman's Mastheight = 47.82

It still sounding good.
Now, I'm going to do my test inside SH5.

Work in progress...

toniloCoyote · 01-06-11, 06:40 PM

More and more I have the impression that the measurements I am getting are correct, but I wanted to verify them in order to remove all doubts.
My idea was to change the values of draft in the sim file, putting as draft of the ship the full height of it (as obtained from the 3D model).
Thus, if the measures were correct, the ship should appear immersed and the top of the mast would have to be at the level of the water.
If this happened, it would be an irrefutable proof of the accuracy of the measurements.

But a ship is not a submarine, and it seems that SH5 will prevent it at all costs. I've been trying by putting this value in the SIM file, and then in the cfg file and then in the file of the mission, but the most I've achieved is that the ship was immersed up to half, while the boilers exploded in flames.

While the boilers explode...

...the sailors continue doing their job.

Measures of Liberty's and Littorio's masts that I sent in previous post seem to me to be fairly consistents. Furthermore, the Littorio's matches quite well with the Measures given by Makman.
Makman, could you tell me what procedure did you use to measure it?

Well, I think what comes next is to make the complete list of the 3D models dimensions.
Anyway, I would like if someone comes up with an irrefutable way to verify that the measurements are correct; so, we could terminate a pursuit that has occupied a lot of people for long.

I will start to make the list and I'll publish it here when finished. I'm making it in a spreadsheet of MS Excel, in order to facilitate the work of incorporating it into the mods (by exporting as CVS, etc.).

Good silent hunting, and happy new year.

toniloCoyote · 01-06-11, 06:53 PM

Gauthier, Thanks for your offer. I'll let you know if I need help.

Trevally. · 01-06-11, 06:58 PM

Thanks toniloCoyote

I have been counting pixels

NOM_Ranger - 111.910m scope x6
Range 2000m
AOB 90

NBB_Littorio - 239.418m scope x1.5
range 1000m
aob 90

toniloCoyote · 01-06-11, 07:28 PM

Trevally, It seems to be very precise, at least at 90 AOB. What about 45 AOB?

01-06-11, 04:13 PM	#2
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Great work toniloCoyote How about testing the "NBB_Littorio" I think the ship Makman gave us the correct mastheight for (Duilio) ia a clone of this one. If we know from the sim the total height of this ship - and now can find the draft in the sim, we will know if the draft you are seeing is correct. Mastheight was 47.82 __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

01-06-11, 06:40 PM	#5
toniloCoyote Bosun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 66 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	More and more I have the impression that the measurements I am getting are correct, but I wanted to verify them in order to remove all doubts. My idea was to change the values of draft in the sim file, putting as draft of the ship the full height of it (as obtained from the 3D model). Thus, if the measures were correct, the ship should appear immersed and the top of the mast would have to be at the level of the water. If this happened, it would be an irrefutable proof of the accuracy of the measurements. But a ship is not a submarine, and it seems that SH5 will prevent it at all costs. I've been trying by putting this value in the SIM file, and then in the cfg file and then in the file of the mission, but the most I've achieved is that the ship was immersed up to half, while the boilers exploded in flames. While the boilers explode... ...the sailors continue doing their job. Measures of Liberty's and Littorio's masts that I sent in previous post seem to me to be fairly consistents. Furthermore, the Littorio's matches quite well with the Measures given by Makman. Makman, could you tell me what procedure did you use to measure it? Well, I think what comes next is to make the complete list of the 3D models dimensions. Anyway, I would like if someone comes up with an irrefutable way to verify that the measurements are correct; so, we could terminate a pursuit that has occupied a lot of people for long. I will start to make the list and I'll publish it here when finished. I'm making it in a spreadsheet of MS Excel, in order to facilitate the work of incorporating it into the mods (by exporting as CVS, etc.). Good silent hunting, and happy new year. Last edited by toniloCoyote; 01-06-11 at 06:59 PM.

01-06-11, 06:58 PM	#7
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Thanks toniloCoyote I have been counting pixels NOM_Ranger - 111.910m scope x6 Range 2000m AOB 90 NBB_Littorio - 239.418m scope x1.5 range 1000m aob 90 __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

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01-06-11, 03:55 PM	#1
toniloCoyote Bosun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 66 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Well, I'm running again. First of all, thanks Markman, your help is still invaluable. Trevally, I am very glad that you want to end this matter until it was as accurate as possible. And now, good news: I found the depth value for each vessel in their sim files. by means of the Goblin Editor. I had already found it yesterday, but did not believe that this was the real thing, because there was too much difference between this value and the one in the .cfg files. As you can see the Liberty freighter sim file says that its depth is 8.2 (meters, I suppose) while the .cfg file says it is only 5.8 So what I did just now is to edit this value by Goblin, and change it to 2, and after several SH5 crashes, due to other reasons, here is the Liberty with its propeller in the air. The question is: Is this value true (in the sim world)? is it really in meters? As soon as I check it I'll start to write the list of values (of 3D models) for the drafts and the heights of the masts. Do you know any way to check with accuracy that I am not wrong?

01-06-11, 04:23 PM	#3
toniloCoyote Bosun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 66 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	OK. By now, we have: NLL (Liberty) --------------------------- Heigth (3D model) 34.397 draft (sim file) 8.2 --------------------------- mast (substract) 26.197 Mast in .cfg file = 27.1 (en el .cfg) It sounds well. I've just found a way to check with total accuracy if the data gathered is being OK. I'll test it (and the NBB_Littorio). Work in progress...

01-06-11, 04:38 PM	#4
toniloCoyote Bosun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 66 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	More data: NBB_Littorio ------------------ Height (3D Model) 58.420 draught (sim file) 10.5 ------------------ mast (subtract) = 47.92 NBB_Duilio --------------- Mast (cfg file) 47 Draft (cfg file) 8.9 Markman's Mastheight = 47.82 It still sounding good. Now, I'm going to do my test inside SH5. Work in progress...

01-06-11, 06:53 PM	#6
toniloCoyote Bosun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 66 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Gauthier, Thanks for your offer. I'll let you know if I need help.

01-06-11, 07:28 PM	#8
toniloCoyote Bosun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 66 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Trevally, It seems to be very precise, at least at 90 AOB. What about 45 AOB?