U.S. Navy to Probe Lewd Videos Shown to Carrier Crew

[ETR3(SS)]

As much as I like an informed and educated American public, this is one of those things that they don't need to know about. If they would like to know then they can inform themselves by visiting their nearest navy recruiter and doing the job that sailors do on a daily basis. Try as the Navy might to rid itself of the stereotypical sailor image, we do swear, drink, smoke, and goof off in ways that the general public wouldn't find acceptable behavior.

Why the public cares about events that happened 3-4 years ago and are trying to do something about it now is beyond me. Personally I hope Capt. Honors career continues uninhibited.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Try as the Navy might to rid itself of the stereotypical sailor image, we do swear, drink, smoke, and goof off in ways that the general public wouldn't find acceptable behavior.

That might well be true, solution? Keep 'it' (swearing, drinking, smoking, and goofing and slurs etc) on the inside, not release it via videos which the public will have, or can have, via leaks, access to.

Why the public cares about events that happened 3-4 years ago and are trying to do something about it now is beyond me. Personally I hope Capt. Honors career continues uninhibited.

i think that the captain is short of a few brain cells to be honest, and surely the few that he has, must have advised him against such 'actions'?
Why should his career go uninhibited? The position he holds alone should be a reason why there should be some sort of 'accountability' for the, and let's be honest here, stupid actions.
Yea sure some people might find it funny or think the guy has a sense of humour, or even agree with his depictions of various acts and portrayals of certain aspects of life. However, that is really not the point here.
And of course a lot of us will use the old "so just because he is in a position of power and trust and responsibility, should he be held accountable for his actions"?
Errm yep, even moreso.
Sorry, but we are all responsible for our actions and if there is no accountability for stupid actions then does that really send out a positive message to others, either in positions of power, right down to us mere mortals who generally look up to these people in some sort of way of respect, trust and belief that these persons were chosen for their positions because they uphold a good sense of morals, respect and decency to our fellow members of society, certainly in public anyway.
Accountability, Accountability, Accountability, can't say it enough.

[MaddogK]

Umm, does anyone care that the video was made 4 years ago ? I thought it was funny as h*ll, and I have no doubt the Capt. is more than professional when appropriate, this is simply a little horseplay when the crewmen needed some morale boost. A NON-issue, and a reprimand at most.

[August]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Umm, does anyone care that the video was made 4 years ago ?

Nope. If it were made when he was a Lt-Jg it might be excused as a youthful indiscretion but he was a Commander at the time and has to adhere to a higher standard.

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by August

Nope. If it were made when he was a Lt-Jg it might be excused as a youthful indiscretion but he was a Commander at the time and has to adhere to a higher standard.

He was a Cdr at the time the vid was made AND it was broadcast over the ships closed circuit TV system.

No problems back then, he was promoted to Capt. of the vessel.

Only NOW do some have issues with it. Sounds like a witchhunt based on the repeal of DADT.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

He was a Cdr at the time the vid was made AND it was broadcast over the ships closed circuit TV system.

No problems back then, he was promoted to Capt. of the vessel.

Only NOW do some have issues with it. Sounds like a witchhunt based on the repeal of DADT.

Doesn't sound like a witch hunt at all to me. It sounds like the man, in a position of authority, not only made inappropriate comments and gestures, but videotaped them and broadcast them over the ship's CC TV. The Navy looked the other way until someone, likely someone who was offended by the acts, procured a copy and leaked it to the press. Now the Navy is forced to do what it probably should have done a long time ago.

I'll never understand the 'boys will be boys' attitude that many people have towards the military; a rationale used to excuse all kinds of inappropriate behavior, from the blatent abuse of prisoners to the Tailhook scandal. Service to one's country goes not grant the right to act in these ways.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Doesn't sound like a witch hunt at all to me. It sounds like the man, in a position of authority, not only made inappropriate comments and gestures, but videotaped them and broadcast them over the ship's CC TV. The Navy looked the other way until someone, likely someone who was offended by the acts, procured a copy and leaked it to the press. Now the Navy is forced to do what it probably should have done a long time ago.

I'll never understand the 'boys will be boys' attitude that many people have towards the military; a rationale used to excuse all kinds of inappropriate behavior, from the blatent abuse of prisoners to the Tailhook scandal. Service to one's country goes not grant the right to act in these ways.

Exactly my sentiments, well said

[Hakahura]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Doesn't sound like a witch hunt at all to me. It sounds like the man, in a position of authority, not only made inappropriate comments and gestures, but videotaped them and broadcast them over the ship's CC TV. The Navy looked the other way until someone, likely someone who was offended by the acts, procured a copy and leaked it to the press. Now the Navy is forced to do what it probably should have done a long time ago.

I'll never understand the 'boys will be boys' attitude that many people have towards the military; a rationale used to excuse all kinds of inappropriate behavior, from the blatent abuse of prisoners to the Tailhook scandal. Service to one's country goes not grant the right to act in these ways.

This is hardly prisoner abuse or "Tailhook".
"I'll never understand", easy answer to that is to serve for a few years in any service for pretty much any nation.

Speaking as a serviceman this is just part of the life.
Relax, chill out, the military is different to civilian life.
We do have different standards and values.

To my eyes this video is a bunch of shipmates having a laugh entertaining their shipmates.

Unfortuantly this officer will probably end up in alot of trouble, IMO thats a shame because a sense of humour is one of the prime requirements of any serviceman. If you can't have a laugh or shrug of something that offends you, how on earth would you cope on operations?

Really who do you want to defend you? A collection of PC touchy feely hug the world types.

[nikimcbee]

I remember the days when our armed forced had real problems to deal with.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I remember the days when our armed forced had real problems to deal with.

[August]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Only NOW do some have issues with it. Sounds like a witchhunt based on the repeal of DADT.

You may be right but he had to know when he was making the video that it might come back to haunt him some day and now it has.

[Jimbuna]

Sounds to me like he has either upset somebody or there is somebody waiting to be slotted in.

I do recognise the fact that officers in senior positions must lead by example but that video was probably no more offensive than the one made at the last SS Meet

[Hakahura]

You're right Takeda, in a western liberal democracy the military is answerable to the people and they do have the right to be outraged.

But as I said before there is a different culture in the military. Pity people can't understand that. This really is not unusual humour in any service.From operating along side numerous other nations and various services including USAF and USN I have seen first hand that it is much the same world wide.

I would be interested to hear what other serving and ex military think about this.


Food for thought,

The Three Detatchment Rules

1: No cameras
2: No drinking and dialing
3: Always have the party in someone else's room.

[Feuer Frei!]

Ok, so it was 3 to 4 years ago, it finally came to light and...we cba about it now, because no-one cares and let's just sweep it all under the carpet and forget about it and move on and send out the message that 'even though we finally found out what you did and 'had to' investigate because of the leak, we won't hold you accountable for your rather immature and irresponsible actions, because it's been 3 to 4 years' and it sends out a message stating exactly that to the wider public and indeed kids who look up to these sorts of people, is well, a bit wrong imho.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

As much as I like an informed and educated American public, this is one of those things that they don't need to know about. If they would like to know then they can inform themselves by visiting their nearest navy recruiter and doing the job that sailors do on a daily basis. Try as the Navy might to rid itself of the stereotypical sailor image, we do swear, drink, smoke, and goof off in ways that the general public wouldn't find acceptable behavior.

Why the public cares about events that happened 3-4 years ago and are trying to do something about it now is beyond me. Personally I hope Capt. Honors career continues uninhibited.

What else is there to say but, sadly, political correctness trumps "tradition" in today's political and military climate. Look at the hubbub over the alleged USMC puppy video, and other footage out of the wars today. Did the American public think these guys just make this stuff up nowadays? Half these sheeple watching the "news" have never heard of a place called My Lai, I guess - you know, back in the "rough and tumble" 60's, when we weren't as civilized as we are now.