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oweng · 12-31-10, 03:38 AM

This was 1939, so France hasn't been invaded yet, would they be considered neutral and I would be considered hostile for sinking them? All I know for sure is that I was definitely sunk by a boat flying the German flag.

Herr-Berbunch · 12-31-10, 03:51 AM

Welcome Aboard

IIRC (I've never done this) with GWX one of the flotillas sets out for practice before 4 Sept and you can practice on some German vessels and the renown taken for this is compensated for, but because you've fired on either a neutral or friend (in this case) they will shoot back.

A lot of people, even those nearing 100% realism, use the external camera with the excuse of taking screenshots - but I think it's a shame to have all these big explosions and not get a proper view.

kapuhy · 12-31-10, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oweng

This was 1939, so France hasn't been invaded yet, would they be considered neutral and I would be considered hostile for sinking them? All I know for sure is that I was definitely sunk by a boat flying the German flag.

They are considered neutral until September 3, 1939 (the day France declared war against Germany). I don't think that attacking them would make you hostile to anyone but French themselves, though. Are you sure these ships you've sunk were French and not, say, Italian? Attacking allies would explain why you were shot at.

Also, where did it happen? There ain't many places where you can encounter German warship "a little while after" a French vessel in 1939...

Tinman764 · 12-31-10, 07:27 AM

Starting in with the 7th flot in August 1939 with GWX, the 1st "shake down" has you sinking 8 British ships in the bay before they have declared war on Germany. I've done this twice and both times I was fired on by friendlies as I returned to port.

Tessa · 12-31-10, 07:58 AM

Welcome aboard. Since you're new to the game I would suggest that you play without manual targetting for awhile. It's more important that you learn the tactics in attaking convoys than it is getting a proper solution to the target.

Once you are fully familiar with the game and it become 2nd nature to you then I'd revist manual targeting. There are some excellent GUI mods out there that make manual targeting faster and easier while still maintaing the skills needed to plot a proper solution. With OLC for example once you get all the rings lined up all your data that goes into the TDC is right there and if done right very accurate.

P.S. If you haven't seen Das Boot yet that's the next most important thing you need to do. Aside from being a great movie there are many aspects of the game a new player can learn from the movie, seeing how things were done back in 1941. It give you a better understanding of your boat and how it functions (among many other things) that help you in forumlating your own strategies or style of play. Unlike every other submarine movie ever made (to my knowledge at least) Das Boot is the only one that accurately re-creates life on board the boat as they used a full scale (sea worthy too) boat to do the filming in. Das Boot is by no means the holy grail of movies it provides massive amount of historically true information about life on a u-boat (the movie is based on book by the journalist that was on board the ship for that particular patrol. What you see on the screen pretty much mirrors at least 90% or more of the way things really went down).

Remember, SH3 is a game and meant to be enjoyed and fun. Don't let things like manual targeting pull you down until you've mastered everything else and are fully prepared to tackle it (to be honest, pretty much all the "old gang/salty members" here knows how to do manual targeting, but a fair number of them chooses not to do so in the game.)

12-31-10, 03:51 AM	#2
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Welcome Aboard IIRC (I've never done this) with GWX one of the flotillas sets out for practice before 4 Sept and you can practice on some German vessels and the renown taken for this is compensated for, but because you've fired on either a neutral or friend (in this case) they will shoot back. A lot of people, even those nearing 100% realism, use the external camera with the excuse of taking screenshots - but I think it's a shame to have all these big explosions and not get a proper view. __________________

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12-31-10, 03:38 AM	#1
oweng Nub Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	This was 1939, so France hasn't been invaded yet, would they be considered neutral and I would be considered hostile for sinking them? All I know for sure is that I was definitely sunk by a boat flying the German flag.

12-31-10, 07:27 AM	#4
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Starting in with the 7th flot in August 1939 with GWX, the 1st "shake down" has you sinking 8 British ships in the bay before they have declared war on Germany. I've done this twice and both times I was fired on by friendlies as I returned to port.

12-31-10, 07:58 AM	#5
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard. Since you're new to the game I would suggest that you play without manual targetting for awhile. It's more important that you learn the tactics in attaking convoys than it is getting a proper solution to the target. Once you are fully familiar with the game and it become 2nd nature to you then I'd revist manual targeting. There are some excellent GUI mods out there that make manual targeting faster and easier while still maintaing the skills needed to plot a proper solution. With OLC for example once you get all the rings lined up all your data that goes into the TDC is right there and if done right very accurate. P.S. If you haven't seen Das Boot yet that's the next most important thing you need to do. Aside from being a great movie there are many aspects of the game a new player can learn from the movie, seeing how things were done back in 1941. It give you a better understanding of your boat and how it functions (among many other things) that help you in forumlating your own strategies or style of play. Unlike every other submarine movie ever made (to my knowledge at least) Das Boot is the only one that accurately re-creates life on board the boat as they used a full scale (sea worthy too) boat to do the filming in. Das Boot is by no means the holy grail of movies it provides massive amount of historically true information about life on a u-boat (the movie is based on book by the journalist that was on board the ship for that particular patrol. What you see on the screen pretty much mirrors at least 90% or more of the way things really went down). Remember, SH3 is a game and meant to be enjoyed and fun. Don't let things like manual targeting pull you down until you've mastered everything else and are fully prepared to tackle it (to be honest, pretty much all the "old gang/salty members" here knows how to do manual targeting, but a fair number of them chooses not to do so in the game.)