Germans wrestle with multicultural identity

[the_tyrant]

@penguin

my statement was an estimate, but i think its partially correct

In 2003, the number of legally resident foreigners in Germany was 7.3 million, which comprised 8.9 percent of the total population. Citizens of the former guest worker countries continue to make up the largest share of this number, which notably included 1.9 million Turkish citizens, of whom 654,000 were born in Germany. Another 575,000 Turks have been naturalized since 1972 and do not show up in statistics of the foreign population.

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from http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=235

There are approximately 1.000.000 illegal immigrants in Germany, 250.000 alone in the capital Berlin. These people live without any papers and without an insurance card that allows them access to the German health system. The state of Berlin considers now to issue these illegal immigrants living in Berlin an “anonymous insurance certificate” that allows them to seek medical help without fearing repercussions after revealing their identity and illegal immigration status.

http://www.erblawg.com/illegal-immig...in-the-future/

1.9 million(turks)-654,000(born in germany)-575,000(obtained german citizenship)= 671000 (turks in germany without german citizenship)

majority>50%, therefore, if the amount of illegal turks exceed 335500, the majority is illegal.

therefore, if the percentage of illegal immigrants that are Turkish exceed 33.55%, a majority of turkish people in germany is illegal(i can't find statistics on the origin of illegal immigrants)





but still, my mistake. I was stupid to make assumptions that i have no data to back

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

@penguin

my statement was an estimate, but i think its partially correct

from http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=235



http://www.erblawg.com/illegal-immig...in-the-future/

1.9 million(turks)-654,000(born in germany)-575,000(obtained german citizenship)= 671000 (turks in germany without german citizenship)

majority>50%, therefore, if the amount of illegal turks exceed 335500, the majority is illegal.

therefore, if the percentage of illegal immigrants that are Turkish exceed 33.55%, a majority of turkish people in germany is illegal(i can't find statistics on the origin of illegal immigrants)

since you have backed you claims with sources, I will reply:

The numbers you mentioned are about corrrect, your conclusions are not.

First: if you're born here, you don't automatically obtain german citizenship, we have jus sanguinus here, vs. jus soli like in North America. So the number of Turks with a turkish passport are ~ 1.3 mil
Second: There are many ways to live legalyl here if you are not a citizen: Do the words visa or work permit ring a bell? So assuming anyone who doesn't have german citizenship is illegal here is complete bs.

Due to its nature, the composition of the illegal immigrant population is not undermined by hard facts. Just assuming that the biggest part of the illegals would be Turks because they make the biggest percentage of the legal foreigners is wrong. Because of the fact that it is comparatively easy for them to live here legally, the percentage is significant lower. If you would know the german reality, you would see that there are many other foreign nationals who make up the illegal population. The number of illegals differ between 1-2 million btw.

Hey, I even knew an illegal Mexican here, quite unique here in Germany! He was a great guy, I would gladly have traded some legal islamistic immigrants or moronic Germans for him...