If the U.S. has another civil war?

mookiemookie · 12-23-10, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

It also decrees that no State has the right to secede from the union.

That decree is nothing new. The Civil War settled it as well as the Supreme Court case Texas vs. White in 1869 ruled that unilateral secession is not allowed. The Union is permanent.

I'd leave the country before taking part in any foolishness like a civil war.

August · 12-23-10, 01:38 PM

Yeah but the next civil war probably won't be fought along state boundaries. We're way too intermixed for much of that.

Like Growler says it would be a blood bath.

Oberon · 12-23-10, 08:32 PM

We'll probably have had our third civil war...no...wait...sorry, fourth civil war (technically the first one was split into three parts), over and done with before then, so we'll let you know how it goes on.
Don't quite know what the battle-lines will be on this one, but not Royalists vs Parliamentarians again, that's already been done. We'll find something.

yubba · 12-23-10, 09:24 PM

I sugguest you bone up on your Mad Max and Red Dawn. I don't know how the Fed thinks they are going to regulate all this junk with, no money to enforce. Remember tomorrows currency might be Beans and Bullets.

TLAM Strike · 12-23-10, 09:41 PM

I think if there was a civil war it would be over so fast most would be wonder what the heck just happened.

And it not going to be fought by a bunch of country yokels with their 30-06s. Its going to be fought by geeks with laptops. Its going to be an digital and information war; Tweets are bullets, thumb drives are smart bombs. Look at Iran this year, the contested elections a bunch of students with camera phones turned the world's attention to their governments abuses. No matter how their government tried to shut them down they found a link to the outside world, and what they filmed became headline news. Second the Suxnet virus, a few lines of code potentially crippled a nuclear weapons program, imagine what something like that could do to a power grid or air traffic control system.

12-23-10, 11:50 PM

I wouldn't fight I'd grab my girl and take off to Europe or something. Just because I live in amerika doesn't mean I'm loyal to it.

CaptainHaplo · 12-24-10, 12:19 AM

It won't happen - for one reason. Who is going to fight it?

From the scenario you gave, the federal gov't. is going to use military force against the states. It would find the military would not be amendable to firing on civilians en masse to pacify the states. Nor does the political will by the people in any region exist that would allow for such a thing.

In the US Civil war, there were significant economic reasons behind the north wanting to invade the south. By conquering the south, the Northern rich could purchase through the spoils of war property in the south that, upon rebuilding - would bring them significant profit.

There is no such economic factor in place. Thus, there is no political will. Without this, the government would face revolt without geographic boundaries, and a revolt by the people at that level would bring the gov't to its knees, because its funding comes from the people.

August · 12-24-10, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rilder

I wouldn't fight I'd grab my girl and take off to Europe or something. Just because I live in amerika doesn't mean I'm loyal to it.

And what country would take a person whose only loyalty is to himself?

12-23-10, 01:38 PM	#2
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,226 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah but the next civil war probably won't be fought along state boundaries. We're way too intermixed for much of that. Like Growler says it would be a blood bath. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-23-10, 09:41 PM	#5
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I think if there was a civil war it would be over so fast most would be wonder what the heck just happened. And it not going to be fought by a bunch of country yokels with their 30-06s. Its going to be fought by geeks with laptops. Its going to be an digital and information war; Tweets are bullets, thumb drives are smart bombs. Look at Iran this year, the contested elections a bunch of students with camera phones turned the world's attention to their governments abuses. No matter how their government tried to shut them down they found a link to the outside world, and what they filmed became headline news. Second the Suxnet virus, a few lines of code potentially crippled a nuclear weapons program, imagine what something like that could do to a power grid or air traffic control system. __________________

12-24-10, 12:19 AM	#7
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	It won't happen - for one reason. Who is going to fight it? From the scenario you gave, the federal gov't. is going to use military force against the states. It would find the military would not be amendable to firing on civilians en masse to pacify the states. Nor does the political will by the people in any region exist that would allow for such a thing. In the US Civil war, there were significant economic reasons behind the north wanting to invade the south. By conquering the south, the Northern rich could purchase through the spoils of war property in the south that, upon rebuilding - would bring them significant profit. There is no such economic factor in place. Thus, there is no political will. Without this, the government would face revolt without geographic boundaries, and a revolt by the people at that level would bring the gov't to its knees, because its funding comes from the people. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

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12-23-10, 08:32 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	We'll probably have had our third civil war...no...wait...sorry, fourth civil war (technically the first one was split into three parts), over and done with before then, so we'll let you know how it goes on. Don't quite know what the battle-lines will be on this one, but not Royalists vs Parliamentarians again, that's already been done. We'll find something.

12-23-10, 09:24 PM	#4
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I sugguest you bone up on your Mad Max and Red Dawn. I don't know how the Fed thinks they are going to regulate all this junk with, no money to enforce. Remember tomorrows currency might be Beans and Bullets.

12-23-10, 11:50 PM	#6
Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I wouldn't fight I'd grab my girl and take off to Europe or something. Just because I live in amerika doesn't mean I'm loyal to it.