Why I love America

tater · 11-13-10, 02:21 PM

I find the anti-globalization argument to be sort of odd. I just don't "get it."

We've always had "globalization," the only difference is that it used to be "owned" only by the few big players, and was either real colonialism, or "market" colonialism—extract from someplace else, and ship home.

Was the old china trade (clipper ships) not "globalization? Was it OK simply because we made loads of cash on the deal?

The notion that the loss of some US industry is wrong is crazy, IMHO. Do you really think it was sustainable for the US to be more than 50% of world manufacturing forever, when we are such a small % of the world's population? Before, the US (and the West in general) was at a huge technological advantage vs the East. They could not possibly make the stuff we did. that was bound to change. Once the process of production is able to be replicated anywhere, the only blocks to "globalization" would be what? Currency devaluation? Crippling tariffs? Simply banning foreign goods? Look at US cars before there was serious foreign competition. 1970s POS American cars. That's what you'll get.

Enlighten me, I just don't buy the anti-globalization (gotta be screwy when morons like Pat Buchannan and unbathed, leftist students (who've never had a real job) are against it (that constellation is a major "pro" argument to my mind).).

Takeda Shingen · 11-13-10, 02:28 PM

As a moron, I can't think that anything I could type in this box would possibly serve as enlightenment.

the_tyrant · 11-13-10, 02:36 PM

Well all that I can say is that Marx was half right
his analysis of capitalism was right
He has predicted the creation of people like Ducimus
"With the exploitation of the working class in the colonies, the economies of the home countries would collapse, allowing a working class revolution to take place"

Penguin · 11-13-10, 02:54 PM

There is a reason my Chinese mass products are considered as throwaway products, cheap in any meaning of the word. The manufaction process - robots, machines, manual labour - doesn't say anything about the quality of the product. Substandard materials and unsophisticated technology is what you'll find when you perform an autopsy on any Chinese (electronic) device.

Also there is a reason for the success of Japanese, Taiwanese or Korean products. They have an affordable price combined with a reasonable technic standards and often innovations behind.

The consumer of today only looks for the price tag. Quality and duration don't seem to play a role anymore in purchase decision process. The folks seem to have accepted the fact that devices kick the bucket after two dozen months.
We have the phenomen here, that the brand names of good companies are sold to cheap manufacturers who buy them to sell their chinese **** under a label which once stood for quality. Mostly older folks fall for this, they used to have a Grundig or Telefunken product for 40 years and wonder when their new tv blows to pieces after 2 years

.

I work in an industry where we pay top dollars for state-of-the-art technology. The price is secondary compared to innovative and clever technology. None of our devices was manufactured in China, except for some LAN cables, lol. Personally I do the same, I am willing to pay good money for good products and I expext quality. In terms of food I try to buy local when possible.

One thing hasn't even brought into this discussion:
When buying chinese you support a dictatorship with a state-capitalistic type of Manchester capitalism under the guise of a communist agenda.

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11-13-10, 02:21 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I find the anti-globalization argument to be sort of odd. I just don't "get it." We've always had "globalization," the only difference is that it used to be "owned" only by the few big players, and was either real colonialism, or "market" colonialism—extract from someplace else, and ship home. Was the old china trade (clipper ships) not "globalization? Was it OK simply because we made loads of cash on the deal? The notion that the loss of some US industry is wrong is crazy, IMHO. Do you really think it was sustainable for the US to be more than 50% of world manufacturing forever, when we are such a small % of the world's population? Before, the US (and the West in general) was at a huge technological advantage vs the East. They could not possibly make the stuff we did. that was bound to change. Once the process of production is able to be replicated anywhere, the only blocks to "globalization" would be what? Currency devaluation? Crippling tariffs? Simply banning foreign goods? Look at US cars before there was serious foreign competition. 1970s POS American cars. That's what you'll get. Enlighten me, I just don't buy the anti-globalization (gotta be screwy when morons like Pat Buchannan and unbathed, leftist students (who've never had a real job) are against it (that constellation is a major "pro" argument to my mind).).

11-13-10, 02:28 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	As a moron, I can't think that anything I could type in this box would possibly serve as enlightenment.

11-13-10, 02:36 PM	#3
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Well all that I can say is that Marx was half right his analysis of capitalism was right He has predicted the creation of people like Ducimus "With the exploitation of the working class in the colonies, the economies of the home countries would collapse, allowing a working class revolution to take place"

11-13-10, 02:54 PM	#4
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	There is a reason my Chinese mass products are considered as throwaway products, cheap in any meaning of the word. The manufaction process - robots, machines, manual labour - doesn't say anything about the quality of the product. Substandard materials and unsophisticated technology is what you'll find when you perform an autopsy on any Chinese (electronic) device. Also there is a reason for the success of Japanese, Taiwanese or Korean products. They have an affordable price combined with a reasonable technic standards and often innovations behind. The consumer of today only looks for the price tag. Quality and duration don't seem to play a role anymore in purchase decision process. The folks seem to have accepted the fact that devices kick the bucket after two dozen months. We have the phenomen here, that the brand names of good companies are sold to cheap manufacturers who buy them to sell their chinese **** under a label which once stood for quality. Mostly older folks fall for this, they used to have a Grundig or Telefunken product for 40 years and wonder when their new tv blows to pieces after 2 years . I work in an industry where we pay top dollars for state-of-the-art technology. The price is secondary compared to innovative and clever technology. None of our devices was manufactured in China, except for some LAN cables, lol. Personally I do the same, I am willing to pay good money for good products and I expext quality. In terms of food I try to buy local when possible. One thing hasn't even brought into this discussion: When buying chinese you support a dictatorship with a state-capitalistic type of Manchester capitalism under the guise of a communist agenda.