TMO and dd evasion--my technique fails.

I'm goin' down · 11-11-10, 10:13 PM

17 miles due north of Samar from the center of the Island, the Jap Fleet was travelling at 32-33 kts. heading in a south easterly direction. On their return trip, it was travelling at 22-23 kts. I fired a blind salvo at around 8,000yds and had three hits on a BB (a true once in a lifetime strike.) The torepdoes were set for less than 10 ft running depth and did not slow the target down. The TF was travelling two rows and was LARGE, completely ringed by escorts.

Armistead · 11-12-10, 05:59 AM

I've never seen that group going that fast... I assume you're talking about Kurita's fleet coming through the San Bern, which is a good place to ambush it. If you're playing RSRD the fastest easternly leg is 22kts coming through the the Sibuyan Sea through the San Bern. Once it exits it shows it going 27kts heading SSE towards the US jeep carriers, on the return leg, back to 22kts. Obvious if it spots you, it should zig slowing down to probably 17kts. This group had both Y classes, is that what you hit? Also has a few Kongo's and one Fuso. The ratings on all the ships in this group, including the DDs is only competent....making it easy to fool the escorts.

This group leaves Singy on the 18th, gets to Brunei despawns, spawns back the 22 and heads for the San Bern on the 25th.

Marko · 11-12-10, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

I've never seen that group going that fast... I assume you're talking about Kurita's fleet coming through the San Bern, which is a good place to ambush it. If you're playing RSRD the fastest easternly leg is 22kts coming through the the Sibuyan Sea through the San Bern. Once it exits it shows it going 27kts heading SSE towards the US jeep carriers, on the return leg, back to 22kts. Obvious if it spots you, it should zig slowing down to probably 17kts. This group had both Y classes, is that what you hit? Also has a few Kongo's and one Fuso. The ratings on all the ships in this group, including the DDs is only competent....making it easy to fool the escorts.

This group leaves Singy on the 18th, gets to Brunei despawns, spawns back the 22 and heads for the San Bern on the 25th.

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I'm goin' down · 11-12-10, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

I've never seen that group going that fast... I assume you're talking about Kurita's fleet coming through the San Bern, which is a good place to ambush it. If you're playing RSRD the fastest easternly leg is 22kts coming through the the Sibuyan Sea through the San Bern. Once it exits it shows it going 27kts heading SSE towards the US jeep carriers, on the return leg, back to 22kts. Obvious if it spots you, it should zig slowing down to probably 17kts. This group had both Y classes, is that what you hit? Also has a few Kongo's and one Fuso. The ratings on all the ships in this group, including the DDs is only competent....making it easy to fool the escorts.

This group leaves Singy on the 18th, gets to Brunei despawns, spawns back the 22 and heads for the San Bern on the 25th.

I do not know whose fleet it was or where it was heading to or coming from. It was totally encircled by dds/escorts, and I recall there were two log columns of captal ships. I did not take an inventory when I flew over with my camera, but there were lots of BBs. I only got one speed reading in each direction, so I cannot say I am certain on the speed of the TF. However, I tried to get a head of them when I first spotted them, and they exceeded the speed of Balao which was at 22-24 kts. I finally gave up on that plan, and went for what turned out to be a lucky shot at long range.

Armistead · 11-12-10, 07:08 PM

No doubt it's the Center Force of Kurita that comes through the Sibuyen Sea through the San Bern, two long rows of capital ships encircled by many DD's. The Yamato's bring up the rear. As this group exits the San Bern it heads sort of SSE where it comes in slight contact with the US jeep carrier force. Soundd like you found them coming around Samar going fast. Lurker has them turning back on each other so they don't do a massive battle or the Yamato's would eat them alive, but I've seen a few DD's do battle. A good place to catch the group is in the San Bern, so narrow the group will have to come over you.
If you miss it, just remember it comes back the 26th. As you stated it's faster than your sub so if it gets ahead, you're not gonna catch it either way.

The other force is the Southern Force that comes through the Surigao Strait same night, but just two Kongo's and several CA's and DD's, but you'll see several US TF that easily deal with it. Nice surface battle and you can easily finish off many damaged ships.

Course also the northern carrier group, battle of Cape Equano as discussed in another thread.

Here is an old SS of the two lines. If you catch it in the Sibuyan Sea..think that's how it's spelled the 24th you can watch it get attacked in mass by planes, another good time to attack it and you have more room.

I'm goin' down · 11-12-10, 08:48 PM

That looks like the TF! It is a LARGE TF and well guarded. Nice work finding it. You must have dissected Lurker's TF history!

Couple of issues on the subject of attacking a TF at 100 percent realism with map contacts enabled (the activation box is unchecked.)

I stll cannot seem to escape the dds and escorts. I have tried pointing my bow at the lead dd and diving under it, moving further ahead of the TF after after the dds spot my boat, etc. Nothing has worked. They find me. Maybe someone can put up a tutorial with screen shots? Also, I have not been able to get speed per the 3 minute rule because the TF silouettes do not appear until after the dds have pounced. I just do not have time. I have tried to get speed per the speed dial key on the Attack Tool speed dial if and when I am able resurface close to the TF main line. A screen shot tutorial would be a great help. I assume it would involve TMO 2.0 activated, map contacts enabled, PK activated, Easy Aob Mod activated, but who knows what, if anything will be posted? I could use a visual of the tactics to get into firing position. I do not think there is a good tutorial on attacking TFs. This is advanced sim warfare especially when the dds and escorts have the AI programmed by Ducimus. I can try the long range shot, but closing for a kill as Armistead has described appears beyong me without a good tutorial to show the way. Robbins could use it in his bag of tricks tutorial.

11-11-10, 10:13 PM	#1
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	Jap Fleet of Samar on 10/24 or 10/25/44 17 miles due north of Samar from the center of the Island, the Jap Fleet was travelling at 32-33 kts. heading in a south easterly direction. On their return trip, it was travelling at 22-23 kts. I fired a blind salvo at around 8,000yds and had three hits on a BB (a true once in a lifetime strike.) The torepdoes were set for less than 10 ft running depth and did not slow the target down. The TF was travelling two rows and was LARGE, completely ringed by escorts.

11-12-10, 08:48 PM	#6
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	armistead That looks like the TF! It is a LARGE TF and well guarded. Nice work finding it. You must have dissected Lurker's TF history! Couple of issues on the subject of attacking a TF at 100 percent realism with map contacts enabled (the activation box is unchecked.) I stll cannot seem to escape the dds and escorts. I have tried pointing my bow at the lead dd and diving under it, moving further ahead of the TF after after the dds spot my boat, etc. Nothing has worked. They find me. Maybe someone can put up a tutorial with screen shots? Also, I have not been able to get speed per the 3 minute rule because the TF silouettes do not appear until after the dds have pounced. I just do not have time. I have tried to get speed per the speed dial key on the Attack Tool speed dial if and when I am able resurface close to the TF main line. A screen shot tutorial would be a great help. I assume it would involve TMO 2.0 activated, map contacts enabled, PK activated, Easy Aob Mod activated, but who knows what, if anything will be posted? I could use a visual of the tactics to get into firing position. I do not think there is a good tutorial on attacking TFs. This is advanced sim warfare especially when the dds and escorts have the AI programmed by Ducimus. I can try the long range shot, but closing for a kill as Armistead has described appears beyong me without a good tutorial to show the way. Robbins could use it in his bag of tricks tutorial. Last edited by I'm goin' down; 11-12-10 at 11:47 PM.

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11-12-10, 05:59 AM	#2
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I've never seen that group going that fast... I assume you're talking about Kurita's fleet coming through the San Bern, which is a good place to ambush it. If you're playing RSRD the fastest easternly leg is 22kts coming through the the Sibuyan Sea through the San Bern. Once it exits it shows it going 27kts heading SSE towards the US jeep carriers, on the return leg, back to 22kts. Obvious if it spots you, it should zig slowing down to probably 17kts. This group had both Y classes, is that what you hit? Also has a few Kongo's and one Fuso. The ratings on all the ships in this group, including the DDs is only competent....making it easy to fool the escorts. This group leaves Singy on the 18th, gets to Brunei despawns, spawns back the 22 and heads for the San Bern on the 25th.

11-12-10, 07:08 PM	#5
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	No doubt it's the Center Force of Kurita that comes through the Sibuyen Sea through the San Bern, two long rows of capital ships encircled by many DD's. The Yamato's bring up the rear. As this group exits the San Bern it heads sort of SSE where it comes in slight contact with the US jeep carrier force. Soundd like you found them coming around Samar going fast. Lurker has them turning back on each other so they don't do a massive battle or the Yamato's would eat them alive, but I've seen a few DD's do battle. A good place to catch the group is in the San Bern, so narrow the group will have to come over you. If you miss it, just remember it comes back the 26th. As you stated it's faster than your sub so if it gets ahead, you're not gonna catch it either way. The other force is the Southern Force that comes through the Surigao Strait same night, but just two Kongo's and several CA's and DD's, but you'll see several US TF that easily deal with it. Nice surface battle and you can easily finish off many damaged ships. Course also the northern carrier group, battle of Cape Equano as discussed in another thread. Here is an old SS of the two lines. If you catch it in the Sibuyan Sea..think that's how it's spelled the 24th you can watch it get attacked in mass by planes, another good time to attack it and you have more room.