Quantas A-380s grounded after engine explosion

Skybird · 11-09-10, 07:42 AM

Correct, both the first German news headline and my referring to it was misleading. They initially said the other 3 engines (on the same jet) had oil leaks as well, and I then quoted that as saying "all other engines" had problems, as if the whole fleet were effected, where I meant all engines on that plane. No damage done, but "Sorry!" for the confusion nevertheless.

The 3 leaks were found when checking all 24 engines they have on their 6 A380s. Which makes 4 out of 24 being "non-normal".

Also, the RR engine is not all the same for different carriers, even this one engine type has small variations in design. That'S why other RR-operating carriers say they do not plan to ground their A380s.

If there would be a basic problem with the RR design, it would be good that there is the altenrative by General Electrics and Pratt&Whittney. 60% of carriers, they said, have choosen the American engine so far, 40% the British engine.

bookworm_020 · 11-09-10, 07:22 PM

This is not the way that Qantas wanted to celebrate it's 90th birthday! The fact that it was also their first A380 in service isn't helping!

I was look at the Trent engines and I came across a mention that the 1000 had a similar failure in testing to the 900 in service with Qantas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_1000

Here is the article reporting the failure

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...contained.html

GE might be getting a leg up in future A380/787 orders!

Skybird · 11-10-10, 03:34 AM

The plot thickens. Singapore Airlines is replacing several of their A380 RR-engines.

Skybird · 11-10-10, 11:15 AM

And more. Lufthansa confirmed to run additional inspections on their RR-engines - and having replaced the first such engine.

bookworm_020 · 11-11-10, 02:12 AM

With Singapore and Lufthansa both admitting problems with the engines (Singapore has grounded three of it's A380's) it will be interesting to see how quick RR will be in fixing the problem. RR could find itself not just losing sales of A380 engines, but 787 (slightly different model engine, but seems to have some of the same issues) and other Trent engine sales.

As many of the aircraft can swap engine types with little issue on newer models (training and maintenance would still have to be addressed), RR could loose massive amounts of market share if they don't fix the problem and make some form of peace deal with the affected airlines.....

Skybird · 11-11-10, 03:43 AM

Easa has ordered all carriers using Trent 900 engines to run separate, additonal special inspections. They say that doubts over the safety of this engine model are existent since longer, and rumour says they are readying a package of arguments now to withdraw the operation permission for this engine model.

11-09-10, 07:42 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Correct, both the first German news headline and my referring to it was misleading. They initially said the other 3 engines (on the same jet) had oil leaks as well, and I then quoted that as saying "all other engines" had problems, as if the whole fleet were effected, where I meant all engines on that plane. No damage done, but "Sorry!" for the confusion nevertheless. The 3 leaks were found when checking all 24 engines they have on their 6 A380s. Which makes 4 out of 24 being "non-normal". Also, the RR engine is not all the same for different carriers, even this one engine type has small variations in design. That'S why other RR-operating carriers say they do not plan to ground their A380s. If there would be a basic problem with the RR design, it would be good that there is the altenrative by General Electrics and Pratt&Whittney. 60% of carriers, they said, have choosen the American engine so far, 40% the British engine. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-10, 07:22 PM	#2
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This is not the way that Qantas wanted to celebrate it's 90th birthday! The fact that it was also their first A380 in service isn't helping! I was look at the Trent engines and I came across a mention that the 1000 had a similar failure in testing to the 900 in service with Qantas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_1000 Here is the article reporting the failure http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...contained.html GE might be getting a leg up in future A380/787 orders! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-10-10, 03:34 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The plot thickens. Singapore Airlines is replacing several of their A380 RR-engines. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-10-10 at 11:17 AM.

11-10-10, 11:15 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And more. Lufthansa confirmed to run additional inspections on their RR-engines - and having replaced the first such engine. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-11-10, 02:12 AM	#5
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	With Singapore and Lufthansa both admitting problems with the engines (Singapore has grounded three of it's A380's) it will be interesting to see how quick RR will be in fixing the problem. RR could find itself not just losing sales of A380 engines, but 787 (slightly different model engine, but seems to have some of the same issues) and other Trent engine sales. As many of the aircraft can swap engine types with little issue on newer models (training and maintenance would still have to be addressed), RR could loose massive amounts of market share if they don't fix the problem and make some form of peace deal with the affected airlines..... __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-11-10, 03:43 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Easa has ordered all carriers using Trent 900 engines to run separate, additonal special inspections. They say that doubts over the safety of this engine model are existent since longer, and rumour says they are readying a package of arguments now to withdraw the operation permission for this engine model. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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