DARN IT!! How do you tell what nation they are??

11-08-10, 08:42 PM

I'm just going to guess here but,
I'd think the Dev's set the renown loss as they did to TRY to say,
DON'T SINK NEUTRAL OR ALLIED UNITS!
If you know your only loseing 1 point?
What IS the point?

Sure We don't have a 'REAL' BDU to trounce your Arse.
(Much like War with Columbia over an 'OOPS! U-505 WTF?)

Sailor Steve · 11-08-10, 09:51 PM

The point is that they then place neutral ships inside enemy convoys, and kaleuns who sunk ships in convoys were given credit, no matter who the ships belonged to.

Setting neutrals to '0' still means you wasted torpedoes for no gain, so it's still a good idea not to do it if it can be avoided; but if they're in a convoy you shouldn't have to worry about losing credit for doing your job properly.

Gargamel · 11-08-10, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

(Much like War with Columbia over an 'OOPS! U-505 WTF?)

Please explain... I looked up 505, and while an interesting read, it didn't mention much about colombia, just a single patrol of SA where they got bombed and survived.

Best nugget i found on wikipedia was this:

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While the boarding party secured U-505, Pillsbury attempted to take it in tow, but collided repeatedly with it and had to leave the area with three compartments flooded.

I kept thinking of the dough boy repeatedly getting poked in the belly by a u-boat.

Draka · 11-09-10, 08:42 AM

From http://www.century-of-flight.net/Avi...2/involved.htm

Colombia
After the attack on Pearl Harbour, Colombia broke diplomatic relations with the Axis powers. Then, in 1943, the U-505 German submarine destroyed a Colombian schooner, which caused Colombia to declare a "status of belligerency" against Germany. The German ambassador left the country and measures of control were implemented, including concentration of German citizens in designated areas.

From http://www.historynet.com/german-sub...d-war-ii.htm/1

U-505's double success seemed to have frightened away all other shipping in the area. For the next month, the sub spotted nothing but Allied aircraft. She had to crash-dive an average of more than once per day to avoid attack. Then, on July 22, a seemingly insignificant incident spelled the end of Axel Loewe's tenure as captain of U-505. 'We spotted a three-masted schooner flying no flag that was making violent zigzags back and forth,' Goebeler remembers. 'Not the kind of zigzags a sailing ship makes to move across the wind, but the kind a ship makes to avoid torpedoes. This made us suspicious, so we surfaced, and the Kapitän ordered a shot to be fired across her bow. Well, the deck officer must have misunderstood his order because the first shot took off the ship's mainmast, and that ship wasn't a sailing ship any more! We couldn't leave the evidence floating around, so we sank her with the deck gun.
'The boat turned out to be the property of a Colombian diplomat, and the incident caused Colombia to declare war against Germany! Well, at that point in the war, having Colombia declare war against Germany was like a dog howling at the moon; it doesn't matter to the moon at all. But Kapitän Loewe blamed himself. We finally had to stop our patrol and return to Lorient earlier than planned. Loewe was having very bad trouble with his appendix, but I think his worry over the sailing ship was the main problem.'
Admiral Donitz's comment in U-505's war diary was that the sinking of the schooner 'had better been left undone.' Loewe was relieved of his command and assigned to shore duty as a member of Donitz's staff. U-505's second war patrol, which had begun so auspiciously, had ended in frustration.

Oops! indeed.

Sailor Steve · 11-09-10, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Draka

"status of belligerency"

"Well, we're not officially at war, but we sure don't like you anymore!"

Missing Name · 11-09-10, 11:52 AM

Is it bad that I regularly FlaK all allied schooners I come across? (At least I check for neutrality!)

Tigershark624 · 11-09-10, 11:59 AM

Very quickly, does GWX count the actual date of the sinking, or does it credit (or discredit) you when you return to port? I remember previous campaigns on my old system in which I had a British ship list as a neutral target sunk then later change to an Allied loss. How does GWX handle this?

frau kaleun · 11-09-10, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigershark624

Very quickly, does GWX count the actual date of the sinking, or does it credit (or discredit) you when you return to port? I remember previous campaigns on my old system in which I had a British ship list as a neutral target sunk then later change to an Allied loss. How does GWX handle this?

I'm pretty sure what counts is the date of the sinking - not the date you returned to base.

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Originally Posted by Missing Name

Is it bad that I regularly FlaK all allied schooners I come across? (At least I check for neutrality!)

It's not "bad" like attacking a neutral or friendly, but I'm guessing the renown award probably isn't worth the ammo. Altho if you don't make a habit of duking it out with aircraft, maybe giving up some of your AA ammo for even a little renown is better than not using it all. Personally, I've actually finished off bigger targets with the flak guns when I was out of rounds for the 88 and didn't want to use another eel (or didn't have one of those left either). So I'd probably save it for bigger prey either way.

Jimbuna · 11-09-10, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigershark624

Very quickly, does GWX count the actual date of the sinking, or does it credit (or discredit) you when you return to port? I remember previous campaigns on my old system in which I had a British ship list as a neutral target sunk then later change to an Allied loss. How does GWX handle this?

Date of sinking.

11-08-10, 09:51 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The point is that they then place neutral ships inside enemy convoys, and kaleuns who sunk ships in convoys were given credit, no matter who the ships belonged to. Setting neutrals to '0' still means you wasted torpedoes for no gain, so it's still a good idea not to do it if it can be avoided; but if they're in a convoy you shouldn't have to worry about losing credit for doing your job properly. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-09-10, 11:52 AM	#6
Missing Name Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Westun New Yahk Posts: 748 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Is it bad that I regularly FlaK all allied schooners I come across? (At least I check for neutrality!) __________________ Largest target sunk with deck gun: Japanese auxiliary cruiser, 15000 tons Largest engaged: HMS Nelson. Results inconclusive. Read Brag's stuff

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11-08-10, 08:42 PM	#1
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'm just going to guess here but, I'd think the Dev's set the renown loss as they did to TRY to say, DON'T SINK NEUTRAL OR ALLIED UNITS! If you know your only loseing 1 point? What IS the point? Sure We don't have a 'REAL' BDU to trounce your Arse. (Much like War with Columbia over an 'OOPS! U-505 WTF?)

11-09-10, 08:42 AM	#4
Draka Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 256 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	From http://www.century-of-flight.net/Avi...2/involved.htm Colombia After the attack on Pearl Harbour, Colombia broke diplomatic relations with the Axis powers. Then, in 1943, the U-505 German submarine destroyed a Colombian schooner, which caused Colombia to declare a "status of belligerency" against Germany. The German ambassador left the country and measures of control were implemented, including concentration of German citizens in designated areas. From http://www.historynet.com/german-sub...d-war-ii.htm/1 U-505's double success seemed to have frightened away all other shipping in the area. For the next month, the sub spotted nothing but Allied aircraft. She had to crash-dive an average of more than once per day to avoid attack. Then, on July 22, a seemingly insignificant incident spelled the end of Axel Loewe's tenure as captain of U-505. 'We spotted a three-masted schooner flying no flag that was making violent zigzags back and forth,' Goebeler remembers. 'Not the kind of zigzags a sailing ship makes to move across the wind, but the kind a ship makes to avoid torpedoes. This made us suspicious, so we surfaced, and the Kapitän ordered a shot to be fired across her bow. Well, the deck officer must have misunderstood his order because the first shot took off the ship's mainmast, and that ship wasn't a sailing ship any more! We couldn't leave the evidence floating around, so we sank her with the deck gun. 'The boat turned out to be the property of a Colombian diplomat, and the incident caused Colombia to declare war against Germany! Well, at that point in the war, having Colombia declare war against Germany was like a dog howling at the moon; it doesn't matter to the moon at all. But Kapitän Loewe blamed himself. We finally had to stop our patrol and return to Lorient earlier than planned. Loewe was having very bad trouble with his appendix, but I think his worry over the sailing ship was the main problem.' Admiral Donitz's comment in U-505's war diary was that the sinking of the schooner 'had better been left undone.' Loewe was relieved of his command and assigned to shore duty as a member of Donitz's staff. U-505's second war patrol, which had begun so auspiciously, had ended in frustration. Oops! indeed.

11-09-10, 11:59 AM	#7
Tigershark624 A-ganger Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 76 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Very quickly, does GWX count the actual date of the sinking, or does it credit (or discredit) you when you return to port? I remember previous campaigns on my old system in which I had a British ship list as a neutral target sunk then later change to an Allied loss. How does GWX handle this?