Quantas A-380s grounded after engine explosion

Skybird · 11-04-10, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Entering obligatory Airbus v. Boeing flamewar in 3....2.....1......

Seeing the Airbus' engine smoking, I think Boeing started early.

Oberon · 11-04-10, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Seeing the Airbus' engine smoking, I think Boeing started early.

Platapus · 11-04-10, 06:32 PM

That is one big aircraft. Kudos to the pilots!

papa_smurf · 11-05-10, 05:51 AM

Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478

Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft.

CCIP · 11-05-10, 08:25 AM

By the way, one detail that I'm really wondering about: engine 2 blew, but after landing apparently engine 1 could not be shut down (and you can see this in pictures of it being blasted with water to shut it off). What sort of damage would this indicate?

Jimbuna · 11-05-10, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478

Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft.

The hole in the wing was 'gradually expanding'

MH · 11-05-10, 08:56 AM

I think 747 had a problem with engines falling off when it was totaly new plane.

Skybird · 11-05-10, 09:32 AM

Most carriers do not maintain a maintenance network as extensive as that of Lufthansa, for that reason several carriers send their machines to Lufthansa for certain key checks that need to be run on a regular basis.

Qantas without "u"

has chosen for the RR engines, so any problem with the engine is not an issue of Airbus, but between Qantas and RR. Airbus neither designs nor supplies the engines, and also does not maintain them.

The European Aerial Traffic Adminsitration (or hoe they are called in English) has released a note saying that already several months ago they ahd send a warning to RR over the engines for the A380, calling them to do additional inspections on their design.

It seems to me that there is an issue with the very design of the RR engines for the A380 that amongst insiders is known since longer.

I wonder if now orders for the rivalling engine by Engine Alliance will rise. Emirates are using these, I think, and Air France. I assume for a plane with four en gines that capable to fly with even 2 engines only, thrust is not the factor deciding which engines are chosen by a carrier, but fuel consumption, noise, availability, and supply of spare parts, price, longevity, etc.

Engine Alliance is American (GE and Pratt&Whitney), Rolls Royce is British.

krashkart · 11-04-10, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Still, it'll be good to have a flame-war which doesn't revolve around Obama or US politics for once, won't it?

Until somebody makes an indirect tie between the engine failure and the POTUS.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Seeing the Airbus' engine smoking, I think Boeing started early.

I do admire your wit, Skybird.

11-04-10, 06:32 PM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,428 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	That is one big aircraft. Kudos to the pilots! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-05-10, 05:51 AM	#4
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478 Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft. __________________

11-05-10, 08:25 AM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	By the way, one detail that I'm really wondering about: engine 2 blew, but after landing apparently engine 1 could not be shut down (and you can see this in pictures of it being blasted with water to shut it off). What sort of damage would this indicate? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-05-10, 09:32 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,783 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Most carriers do not maintain a maintenance network as extensive as that of Lufthansa, for that reason several carriers send their machines to Lufthansa for certain key checks that need to be run on a regular basis. Qantas without "u" has chosen for the RR engines, so any problem with the engine is not an issue of Airbus, but between Qantas and RR. Airbus neither designs nor supplies the engines, and also does not maintain them. The European Aerial Traffic Adminsitration (or hoe they are called in English) has released a note saying that already several months ago they ahd send a warning to RR over the engines for the A380, calling them to do additional inspections on their design. It seems to me that there is an issue with the very design of the RR engines for the A380 that amongst insiders is known since longer. I wonder if now orders for the rivalling engine by Engine Alliance will rise. Emirates are using these, I think, and Air France. I assume for a plane with four en gines that capable to fly with even 2 engines only, thrust is not the factor deciding which engines are chosen by a carrier, but fuel consumption, noise, availability, and supply of spare parts, price, longevity, etc. Engine Alliance is American (GE and Pratt&Whitney), Rolls Royce is British. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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11-05-10, 08:56 AM	#7
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	I think 747 had a problem with engines falling off when it was totaly new plane.