German police arrest 22 in neo-Nazi internet raid

Slavery was instituted by the British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, etc. All nations who were involved in European trade.

To blame the US for slavery is to forget the history of the imperial nations, which the US has never been, although the opportunities have existed.

[tater]

The USA was absolutely culpable in slavery. Forget that we stopped importing slaves, people still owned other human beings, and the horse-trading to start the country codified it.

Then Egyptians, Romans, Isrealites, Babalonians, Asyrians, etc. were all evil civilizations. English, Spanish, Dutch, etc. All held slaves. Once again, the US was not exclusive in its slavery. Nor did it start it.

[Task Force]

yea, other people had slaves, but that dosent mean the Us should have, you can say we stopped all you want it still happend, and that still dosent excuse what we did to the natives. You could almost call the reservations long term concentration camps. The US did things as the trail of tears, giving the natives blankeds with small pox, ect

Originally Posted by Task Force

yea, other people had slaves, but that dosent mean the us should have, and that still dosent excuse what we did to the natives. You could almost call the reservations long term concentration camps.

Keep moving the bar. Now its about the indians. Slavery exists today. Democrats remove the possibility of freedom by giving away money, which will be worth even less tomorrow..

It is slavery by another name, and without the obvious trappings.

[Task Force]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Keep moving the bar. Now its about the indians. Slavery exists today. Democrats remove the possibility of freedom by giving away money, which will be worth even less tomorrow..

It is slavery by another name, and without the obvious trappings.

How did the democrats and them giving money away get into this, if you want to complain about our current political situation, find anouther thread. theres hundreds of them.

Oah, and you can complain about me talking about the natives, but its true, and its as bad. Face it, the US has a bad history, as every other country. Were no better than the rest.

Originally Posted by Task Force

How did the democrats and them giving money away get into this, if you want to complain about are current political situation, find anouther thread. theres hundreds of them.

I brought it in. I believe that giving people money through social programs, welfare, etc. is a form of slavery. To attain the moneys requires the individual to jump through gov't hoops, and maintain that level of control by government.

The free individual doesn't have the hoops and is not a slave to them.

[Gerald]

"[The] investigations are a strong hint to people running other extreme-right internet radio stations that dissemination of songs with extreme-right wing and xenophobic lyrics, even on the internet, will be pursued," said BKA head Joerg Ziercke.

He said they had noticed a growing trend among far-right groups to use music to recruit young people.

Last month, the BKA said that over the past decade the number of people with the potential to carry out far-right violence in Germany had doubled to around 9,000.

The BBC's Stephen Evans in Berlin says the arrests come during an intense debate in Germany over immigration, particularly from Muslim countries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11689141



Note: Update post,3 November 2010 Last updated at 21:58 GMT

[Castout]

Good riddance.

[CaptainHaplo]

Tater - it took 18 months for me to get a security clearance - because my grandfather (on my mother's side) was a Nazi Party member. Know what they learned? The same thing that I already knew - he was asked one day if he was a member of the Nazi Party in 1944 - with a gun to his head. He had 2 children and one on the way (my mother), so ask yourself what you would have answered in his place....

To protect his life and his family he had to register as a party member. Not every "nazi" believed in ole Adolph, or racial supremecy, or any of the rest of the bullcrap that came from that regime. Some simply didn't have a choice given the political climate they were in.

[Sailor Steve]

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.
-James Madison

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H. L. Mencken

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-Hermann Göring

I've said this in threads about the American Civil War, and I've said it in threads about the Second World War - young men sign up to fight because they believe their country, their way of life and their families are threatened. Very few ever enlist out of a love of killing, or a love of an ideology. The average German soldier, and the average German civilian, was not a Nazi, and likely not even an idealist. They were just people, doing what they thought was best for their country.

I think of the quotes I posted above every time someone uses the words "Patriot Act". We are all susceptible to persuasion from above, because we all want to believe we are right, and we all want our church, our party and our country to be right as well. This blinds us to the possibility that we might be backing the wrong side for the "right" reasons.

Tater, I never suspected you had that much unreasoning hate in you.

"'My country, right or wrong' is something no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case."
-H. L. Mencken

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I've said this in threads about the American Civil War, and I've said it in threads about the Second World War - young men sign up to fight because they believe their country, their way of life and their families are threatened. Very few ever enlist out of a love of killing, or a love of an ideology. The average German soldier, and the average German civilian, was not a Nazi, and likely not even an idealist. They were just people, doing what they thought was best for their country.

Sometimes you do not have that choice to voluntarily enlist. You get forced to enter the army either by threatening sanctions to yourself, or to your loved ones at home - period.

[Task Force]

Good post last page skybird, As Joea said, I actualy read all of it, instead of skimming over it.

[Gerald]

I agree, a totally different view!

[Skybird]

Thanks for the cheers.

Just because the news is from today, and losely connected to this thread:

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