Tired of people shooting cops...

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Loved the old yugoslavian system, you did harm to a cop his buddies would drag you to a cellar and beat the crap out of you. Had ways of inflicting maximum pain for least injuries. Excesive force was a doctrine back then, not a breach of rights

I guess it would suck if the cop's buddies picked the wrong guy.

[Buddahaid]

Here's a perfect new case. The family will sue for wrongful death/excessive police force because he was mentally compromised somehow. No gun involved but a lethal weapon used (car).

[Buddahaid]

Here's a perfect new case. The family will sue for wrongful death/excessive police force because he was mentally compromised somehow. No gun involved but a lethal weapon used (car).

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BADL1G4GM9.DTL

[Gerald]

To shoot a police officer or hurt her or him, is a clear abuse of the rule of law

[Jimbuna]

Huh?

[XabbaRus]

Jim am I right in understanding that our firearms cops are trained to shoot to kill when given the order to shoot / threat is considered such that the policeman can justify taking the shot with out orders and therefore it is as you said best to giveup straight away?

A bit like the case of that lawyer chap shot in London last year.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Jim am I right in understanding that our firearms cops are trained to shoot to kill when given the order to shoot / threat is considered such that the policeman can justify taking the shot with out orders and therefore it is as you said best to giveup straight away?

A bit like the case of that lawyer chap shot in London last year.

Pretty much so, not that you'd ever get an official answer/admission.....during firearms training you are taught to aim for the largest section of the target which is always the torso (the home of the most vital organ the heart), sniper training is different I am informed, magnified/night sights etc.

In the case of the lawyer he had already previously discharged his weapon IIRC or had repeatedly threatened do so.

It would probably be at this point that clearance to fire was given should he pose a threat to the public/police etc........he did just that, he discharged his weapon and was met with a hail of overwhelming firepower.

No officer likes to take a life but sometimes you have little or no choice.

Ever wondered why the criminal seldom survives one an officer has discharged his weapon?

[Sailor Steve]

I agree - shooting anyone just for doing his job deserves punishment. When the job is protecting others that punishment needs to be maximized.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.

Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are.

If your equipped with a firearm during the commission of a crime it is highly likely you will be confronted by an armed response unit/team/vehicle (whichever is nearest).

My advise to any ar$ehole finding themselves in such a situation would be to surrender your firearm with immediate effect because if it is perceived you present a danger to the public or those officers responding you are then gambling whether the order to fire will be given.

If such an order is given then it is the lawful intent that you will be incapacitated/killed....the only way to reduce the risk to an acceptable level.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well that is how it used to be in the states but the wave of liberalism that hit the US justice system and LE in last 20 years or so prevents it now for most part.Cops "abuse" a perp here, they end up with the charges dropped , nice settlement and the officers in jail.I saw this guys mugshot and he had a nice lump on his head, I suspect he must have "tripped"

Shootings are up in the UK? Perhaps time for UK beat cops to carry sidearms?

A figure approaching nearly 10% already are or are already firearms trained.

There have been a few 'soundings' by the Police Federation over the years and thus far the figures maintain a large majority of serving officers who would prefer not to be armed.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

A figure approaching nearly 10% already are or are already firearms trained.

There have been a few 'soundings' by the Police Federation over the years and thus far the figures maintain a large majority of serving officers who would prefer not to be armed.

Well have the public that pays for the police been asked? I personally dont understand the point.
In Finland every patrol officer is armed and for the past twenty years they have been required to be also in very good physical condition.

Dont mess with the Finnish police.

[yubba]

Looks like Mad Max to me.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by yubba

Looks like Mad Max to me.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the first photo.

[krashkart]

I don't think I'd mess with anything Finnish to begin with.

[nikimcbee]

We need Hanomag or 1480 here!