What do you guys think about the west bank barrier

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Don't mind the wall, but the route taken could be better!

Yeah, that's sort of what I'm getting at. The wall is not a bad idea, it's just the fact that it's a very unilateral solution for a two-way problem. Otherwise hey, let's face it, they would need something to keep them apart even in the best of possible scenarios here.

[Skybird]

Some weeks ago there was a major essay in one of the international newspapers I use to skim over, showing statistics how illegal border crossings by Palestinian terrorists have dramatically declined and the number of terror attacks inside Israel also. That was what the wall was build for by intention. And it works - better than was hoped.

It does not compare to the Berlin wall, which had a totally different purpose. The Berlin wall was a prison wall. The Palestinian wall is a protection wall.

If someone wants to build a wall then they should only build it on land that is theirs.

[papa_smurf]

Its an ill conceived idea, as it was originally built to try and stop suicide bombers getting into Israeli territory, but now its an excuse for Israel to expand their own territory and completely scuppering any chance of a peace deal in the middle east.

[I-25]

its basically the same thing thats between the US - Mex border

[Blood_splat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If someone wants to build a wall then they should only build it on land that is theirs.

Here we go...

1000 page thread

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

Here we go...

1000 page thread

LOL

[the_tyrant]

thanks guys, i needed this for an essay

[Capt. Morgan]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

thanks guys, i needed this for an essay

Do you mean that you can't form your own opinion?

[August]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

Here we go...

1000 page thread

Nah, most of the board has him on ignore.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If someone wants to build a wall then they should only build it on land that is theirs.

Should France give itself back to the Neanderthals? If someone crops up claiming to be a pre-Roman tribalist, should they get ownership of England back (or the rest of Europe)?

Every nation on earth exists because they knocked someone over the head and took it from them at some level. The jews predate Islam (or Christianity), so they get it... or is there a statute of limitations? Islam took their territory at sword-point, too, after all. Whoever owned something 75 years ago gets it, perhaps? Not 74 years or 76, but 75. Or maybe 83 years? 112? Or do the Native Americans get rights too? How about we push it back to 1491? Hmmm. Where does it end?

Given that the "Palestinians" (there was never such a state before it was invented, and the real palestinian state already exists, it's called "Jordan") sided (and raised troops for) the Nazis, punishing them post ww2 seems pretty reasonable. You side with Nazis, well, you'll have your borders dictated to you—hard cheese for you.

[Freiwillige]

Your argument is that they sided with the Nazi's? I'm pretty sure the Palestinians had millions of combat troops in German uniforms in Russia right?

I have heard so pretty loose arguments both for and against the Palestinians but this takes the record!

Even if they did have a pro German opinion it was probably more to do with England's control over the middle east and the old saying any enemy of my enemy is my friend.

But your argument that they sided with the Nazi's is about as relevent as saying the Russian's, English, French, Norwegians, etc sided with the Nazi's because thousands of them fought for the Reich.

[TLAM Strike]

I didn't believe this stuff at first but then I researched it and its crazy...

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Your argument is that they sided with the Nazi's?

No I think we are saying that these guys still want to be Nazis...

^These dudes have not recently discovered emulating the Nazis is cool, they have been doing that salute since WWII.

The SS had Muslim Division in Yugoslavia, made up of Bosnian Muslims.

Arafat's hero Haj Amin Al Husseini...

... he is the guy next to Hitler... ask the Nazis to invade British Palestine and extend Hilter's Final Solution to the Jews there.

Is every Muslum in the world a Nazi? No, but their leaders seems to want to be...

[CCIP]

Well, let's not point to the faults of the Palestinian state and its terrorist organizations - there are also normal everyday people living there you know. I for one don't care if Israel puts Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah in cages (along with their own Jewish right-wing politicians), but it'd be nice if regular people on both sides of the barrier could have normal lives. If there must be a barrier, let it not get in the way of either doing so.

Disclaimer: I have a close cousin living in Israel, so it's much in my own interest to see the Jews left in peace there. It's just that I really don't think it's gonna happen unilaterally, even if a barrier's involved. The extreme settlements and the byzantine wall sections that carve them into the middle of the West Bank need to go. Whichever side's historical excuses you use, the fact is that there's thousands of normal people on both sides that are totally justified in living where they live. Balance things out, give the Palestinians a chance to have non-broken infrastructure in the West Bank, and from there something can begin to be accomplished. Otherwise you won't have much luck dealing with a completely broken entity that is the Palestinian state now.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by tater

Given that the "Palestinians" (there was never such a state before it was invented, and the real palestinian state already exists, it's called "Jordan") sided (and raised troops for) the Nazis, punishing them post ww2 seems pretty reasonable. You side with Nazis, well, you'll have your borders dictated to you—hard cheese for you.

Then the Finns and the Swiss should expect to be seeing coalition forces up close and personal soon, right?