15 Great Leaders Through History - Page 2

Sailor Steve · 09-28-10, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Charles martel is an interesting choice, but I guess a case can be made that he stopped the muslims from conquering all of western europe.

And Ferdinand and Isabella kicked them out of Spain. That counts for at least an Honorable Mention.

Bilge_Rat · 09-28-10, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And Ferdinand and Isabella kicked them out of Spain. That counts for at least an Honorable Mention.

true and they sent Columbus on his way as well.

Sailor Steve · 09-28-10, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

true and they sent Columbus on his way as well.

I left that part out because I felt that it owed less to good leadership than to greed, or at least international competition.

frau kaleun · 09-28-10, 01:35 PM

Napoleon, in an epic win FTW.

Torvald Von Mansee · 09-28-10, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Charles Martel is an interesting choice, but I guess a case can be made that he stopped the muslims from conquering all of western europe.

And that's why I chose him!!! Right guy at the right time made all the difference.

Raptor1 · 09-28-10, 01:41 PM

Hmm, great leaders through history, let's see.

Alexander the Great
Gaius Marius
Augustus
Charles Martel
Charlemagne
Genghis Khan
Jogaila, I think
Charles V
Maurice of Orange
Gustav Adolphus
Oliver Cromwell
Louis XIV (Maybe, a lot of what happened during his reign is directly or indirectly responsible for the French Revolution)
Frederick the Great
Napoleon
Bismarck

These are the ones I can think of, I'm probably forgetting quite a few important ones. Also disregarded military-only leaders, though I would consider quite a few of those as great leaders.

By the end of the 19th century it becomes hard to find leaders who would go into this list; though there were good leaders, things became way more decentralized.

Bilge_Rat · 09-28-10, 01:54 PM

Louis XIV is also important since he established the french language as the working language of europe for the next 250 years until it was replaced by english.

I was reading a book recently about the Austrian army during the Seven Years War. Austria-Hungary was a very multi lingual state at that time, but most of the officers were german speaking Austrians. However, in almost every military conference, french was used as the working language since every officer had at least a working knowledge of french.

Jimbuna · 09-28-10, 03:01 PM

What was James T Kirk doing on the list?

Oh I see

nikimcbee · 09-28-10, 04:04 PM

At Jim.
I vote Peter the Great. I'll add maybe Robert E Lee (except for Gettysburg

).

Sailor Steve · 09-28-10, 04:15 PM

@ Jim: you can question the inclusion of someone named Jim? I wouldn't have thought it of you.

@ McBee: We've argued about Lee before. Say what I want about generalship, I don't think there is any doubt about his leadership quailities. The man was a born leader, and one of the true greats in that department.

Takeda Shingen · 09-28-10, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I vote Peter the Great.

The whole 'build me my city no matter the cost' thing really puts me off.

Tchocky · 09-28-10, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

No love for Shackleton, I guess.

Set goals accomplished - 0/1

Any other comments - Nobody died!

frau kaleun · 09-28-10, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Set goals accomplished - 0/1

Any other comments - Nobody died!

My high opinion of Shackleton is based solely on the latter fact, lol.

I think what he ended up accomplishing, under the circumstances, was far more impressive than what he would have accomplished had the initial goal of the expedition been achieved.

However IMO much credit must also be given to Frank Worsley, who managed to get the James Caird from Elephant Island to South Georgia Island with nothing more than a sextant he couldn't use most of the time due to the weather. Incidentally he was also captain of a Q-ship during WWI and was decorated for his services in that conflict. He also volunteered for service in the merchant fleet during WWII and had secured a position but lost it when somebody did the math and realized how old he was.

09-28-10, 05:08 PM

Mithridates VI the Great of Pontus.

Though he screwed up killing 80,000 Romani living in his lands and provoking the full wrath of the senate...

August · 09-28-10, 07:21 PM

No matter which 15 I pick it still excludes many more equally great leaders.

09-28-10, 01:41 PM	#21
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Hmm, great leaders through history, let's see. Alexander the Great Gaius Marius Augustus Charles Martel Charlemagne Genghis Khan Jogaila, I think Charles V Maurice of Orange Gustav Adolphus Oliver Cromwell Louis XIV (Maybe, a lot of what happened during his reign is directly or indirectly responsible for the French Revolution) Frederick the Great Napoleon Bismarck These are the ones I can think of, I'm probably forgetting quite a few important ones. Also disregarded military-only leaders, though I would consider quite a few of those as great leaders. By the end of the 19th century it becomes hard to find leaders who would go into this list; though there were good leaders, things became way more decentralized. __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

09-28-10, 01:54 PM	#22
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Louis XIV is also important since he established the french language as the working language of europe for the next 250 years until it was replaced by english. I was reading a book recently about the Austrian army during the Seven Years War. Austria-Hungary was a very multi lingual state at that time, but most of the officers were german speaking Austrians. However, in almost every military conference, french was used as the working language since every officer had at least a working knowledge of french. __________________

09-28-10, 03:01 PM	#23
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	What was James T Kirk doing on the list? Oh I see __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-28-10, 04:04 PM	#24
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	At Jim. I vote Peter the Great. I'll add maybe Robert E Lee (except for Gettysburg). __________________

09-28-10, 04:15 PM	#25
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	@ Jim: you can question the inclusion of someone named Jim? I wouldn't have thought it of you. @ McBee: We've argued about Lee before. Say what I want about generalship, I don't think there is any doubt about his leadership quailities. The man was a born leader, and one of the true greats in that department. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-28-10, 01:35 PM	#19
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Napoleon, in an epic win FTW.

09-28-10, 05:08 PM	#29
Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Mithridates VI the Great of Pontus. Though he screwed up killing 80,000 Romani living in his lands and provoking the full wrath of the senate...

09-28-10, 07:21 PM	#30
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No matter which 15 I pick it still excludes many more equally great leaders. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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