Afghan surge was never meant for victory.

The area that works as their supply and staging ground can be denied from them, its a political decision to do it.
It isnt every square mile or every border, its a specific area.

Really? and when you deny them one small area they move into the next and then the next then the next then back to the first.

A local victory in Afganistan is possible in a sense that it can be pacified.

I would like to hear your solutions?

I go with the Pentagons solution, the one that was thrown out the window by the US when they decided to play silly buggers instead.
Since the whole basis of a solution depended on a very very short deployment coupled with massive rapid investmement and that small oppertunity was wasted nearly 10 years ago then there is no real solution.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I go with the Pentagons solution, the one that was thrown out the window by the US when they decided to play silly buggers instead.
Since the whole basis of a solution depended on a very very short deployment coupled with massive rapid investmement and that small oppertunity was wasted nearly 10 years ago then there is no real solution.

A short deployment and leave behind a big bag of money to fight over?
Ok.
I dont see that working either.

What is your solution to the global rise of Islam?

A short deployment and leave behind a big bag of money to fight over?
Ok.
I dont see that working either.

The plan was to speed the Taliban in their ongoing decline and prevent al-qaida stepping into the gap made by their fall by using the tribes and not upsetting too many locals.

What is your solution to the global rise of Islam?

What global rise?
You swallow too much hype, its basicly the same small groups of pricks scattered round the world shouting nonsense very loudly like they have for hundreds of years while the vast majority of muslims just get on with their lives.

[Happy Times]

The plan was to speed the Taliban in their ongoing decline and prevent al-qaida stepping into the gap made by their fall by using the tribes and not upsetting too many locals.

How does that take out the Taliban support and supply in Pakistan? We shouldnt look at the borders in Asia and Africa but the ethnic and religious boundaries.

What global rise?
You swallow too much hype, its basicly the same small groups of pricks scattered round the world shouting nonsense very loudly like they have for hundreds of years while the vast majority of muslims just get on with their lives.

Yes, we have relatively small groups of militants but in every muslim country Islamic parties are big and on their way to power.
You cant possibly deny this?

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Yes, we have relatively small groups of militants but in every muslim country Islamic parties are big and on their way to power.
You cant possibly deny this?

And militarily they are about as much of a threat to the west as a mosquito is likely to kill you due to blood loss.
There will be terror attacks in the future, but wide scale military deployment does not really hinder that. Those terror organizations are not centralized, they more than likely operate on a cell principle, which makes them difficult to infiltrate and eliminate, even if that happens a cell is always expendable. If you know the right people it is easy to get weapons and even explosives almost anywhere so they don't have a logistics chain to worry about, all they need is money.
Now given the ruthless nature of the people involved rising money via methods that are frowned upon my more civilized folk is not a problem and even that is more than likely run on a cell principle.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

And militarily they are about as much of a threat to the west as a mosquito is likely to kill you due to blood loss.
There will be terror attacks in the future, but wide scale military deployment does not really hinder that. Those terror organizations are not centralized, they more than likely operate on a cell principle, which makes them difficult to infiltrate and eliminate, even if that happens a cell is always expendable. If you know the right people it is easy to get weapons and even explosives almost anywhere so they don't have a logistics chain to worry about, all they need is money.
Now given the ruthless nature of the people involved rising money via methods that are frowned upon my more civilized folk is not a problem and even that is more than likely run on a cell principle.

Your solutions to not live under threat of terror?

[antikristuseke]

Statistically the likelyhood of being killed in a terror attack is so low I don't pay any attention to it. Also there are clandestine intelligence organizations that are combating that threat at all times, if anything those need more resources to provide additional security. If the enemy does not fight out in the open we need to adapt our tactics to theirs to combat them. You cant win an asymetric threat with a show of force.
As to those militant muslims who live in the west already, each generation they bring out is less and less likely to adopt extremist views unless they themselves are targets of discrimination due to their heritage and will, sooner or later, assimilate to a large degree. Again, not a quick fix, nor a painless one, but I dont see us having any other options, as long as the west plays the part of the bully we are feeding the extremists all the ammo they need to recruit more.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

What is your solution to the global rise of Islam?

IDKFA

[antikristuseke]

IDDQD

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

IDDQD

Only if things get hairy.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

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[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Dowly

IDKFA

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

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[TarJak]

Originally Posted by krashkart

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[krashkart]

Originally Posted by TarJak

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