Afghan surge was never meant for victory.

Hey look, it's another Obama thread!

But its an Obama thread about how he isn't winning a war that can't be won.
You can be rest assured if it was McCain/Palin in power the sore losers who are like a embarrasing rash recently wouldn't be writing about them not winning a war that can't be won.

[AVGWarhawk]

a war that can't be won.

Exactly.

[Bilge_Rat]

Exactly, Obama is not wasting his time to win a war that can only be won by pouring hundreds of thousands of troops and billions of dollars into Afghanistan, neither of which is going to happen.

I am more impressed that he layed down the law to the Pentagon and wrote a six page memo setting down his explicit orders. Looking forward to reading that part.

[AVGWarhawk]

Problem is....the old eye on the ball speech during his campaign.

[Bubblehead1980]

This war CAN be won.I am so sick of people with defeatest attitudes.

Would require us to get a lot tougher and more aggressive in Afghanistan and then the everyone would whine and complain but we could win there.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

This war CAN be won.I am so sick of people with defeatest attitudes.

Would require us to get a lot tougher and more aggressive in Afghanistan and then the everyone would whine and complain but we could win there.

How tough? How many civilian casualties? How much damage to the US government?
Rest assured, you hit hard, the Taliban will hide itself in the civilian population even more, then what do you do? Bomb the civilians? Yes, you'll hit the Taliban, but you'll give them the biggest propaganda boost since 9/11 and even more martyrs will join the cause, even more terrorist attacks against the US will be plotted and the chance of one of them succeeding will rise.
Even if you nuke every single square mile of Afghanistan into a lake of glass, that will not stop the martyrs coming from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and every other Muslim country (including Muslims in the West already), if anything it will make them even more fanatical.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Afghanistan is a catch-22, if you go too hard then you turn your people against you for being a warmonger but if you go too soft then you turn your people against you for being too soft. Finding the right balance is something that at least three invaders of Afghanistan have failed to do so far.

[Tchocky]

What is the definition of "winning" in Afghanistan?

Note - asking this question does not make you defeatist.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Hey look, it's another Obama thread!

Originally Posted by Tribesman

...a war that can't be won.