Why Obama is so bad and why Europe loves him

[GoldenRivet]

Obama flaw #186

Does not believe in American greatness.

Did anyone notice how he couldn't at least choke out the "by our creator..." when he said "endowed with certain unalienable rights"?

[Gerald]

When was this interview?

[GoldenRivet]

it was just another blow hard address by a useless bird turd of a human being - I dont think it was an interview.

[Gerald]

Surely it was a bird that flew unusually wobbly, in the ether

[Sailor Steve]

While it's true the United States declared independence before Mexico did, the first permanent settlement on the North American continent was St. Augustine, founded in 1565. The first English settlement was Jamestown, founded 42 years later, in 1607.

Technically speaking, the Mexicans' ancestors had a city going here a generation before the Americans' ancestors did.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

While it's true the United States declared independence before Mexico did, the first permanent settlement on the North American continent was St. Augustine, founded in 1565. The first English settlement was Jamestown, founded 42 years later, in 1607.

Technically speaking, the Mexicans' ancestors had a city going here a generation before the Americans' ancestors did.

Very true but those where Spaniards, not Mexicans. I think what is happening here is a different interpretation of the facts. Ask yourself this, if Mexicans weren't Mexican before September 16, 1810, does that mean that we were not Americans before July 4, 1776? Bottom line Obama is a politician speaking at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Politics as usual.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Very true but those where Spaniards, not Mexicans. I think what is happening here is a different interpretation of the facts. Ask yourself this, if Mexicans weren't Mexican before September 16, 1810, does that mean that we were not Americans before July 4, 1776? Bottom line Obama is a politician speaking at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Politics as usual.

Color it any way you like. The fact is that their ancestors were here before our ancestors.

I agree that Obama is just another politician, and not one I have any love for, but it seems to me that more and more this forum is filling up with far-right tripe hype, more and more ranting and less and less discussion.

[tater]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Very true but those where Spaniards, not Mexicans. I think what is happening here is a different interpretation of the facts. Ask yourself this, if Mexicans weren't Mexican before September 16, 1810, does that mean that we were not Americans before July 4, 1776? Bottom line Obama is a politician speaking at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Politics as usual.

This. He explicitly refers to Americans as coming from elsewhere, can't mix and match. Americans are British (etc) until the Revolution, and Mexicans are Spaniards. Period.

If Bush had said this, the press would have been all over the "gaffe." They'd probably be chalking it up to his lack of "gravitas." Remember "gravitas?"

Mexicans are "Mexicans" when a country called "Mexico" exists, not before. "Americans" includes Native Americans who've been here since the Bering Sea ice bridge, does that mean we're 30,000 years old? (and since human migration went from North to South the US must predate the rest of the Americans (they hit Alaska before Canada)