target speed: the eighty-ten method

[Armistead]

Has no bearing on the thread or your method, but it states..

"Launders spotted another periscope. Lowering Venturer's, Launders correctly guessed that the other periscope belonged to his quarry. Slowly following U-864, Launders planned to attack the German u-boat when it surfaced."

Seems he made visual contact and followed it by scope enough to get into position to attack by sonar. That statement in fact is the problem with your method, he had to put himself on course to attack to start with and did so with a visual.

His attack why well planned, was more luck and theory....I've sunk many ships by sonar alone with no visuals at all, but it was estimate info at best.
Here he had visuals to start with...


I use to have some respect for you, but this constant silliness trying to just jest at people is silly.

Thread needs to be lock and deleted, it has no merit at all.

[greyrider]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Has no bearing on the thread or your method, but it states..

"Launders spotted another periscope. Lowering Venturer's, Launders correctly guessed that the other periscope belonged to his quarry. Slowly following U-864, Launders planned to attack the German u-boat when it surfaced."

Seems he made visual contact and followed it by scope enough to get into position to attack by sonar. That statement in fact is the problem with your method, he had to put himself on course to attack to start with and did so with a visual.

His attack why well planned, was more luck and theory....I've sunk many ships by sonar alone with no visuals at all, but it was estimate info at best.
Here he had visuals to start with...


I use to have some respect for you, but this constant silliness trying to just jest at people is silly.

Thread needs to be lock and deleted, it has no merit at all.

what did i say at the begining, this was not an 8010, what bearing it has is that tater and a few other try again as usual, saying you cant track by hydrophones, it has an arc, or whatever else he imagines, so that documentary has bearing, it also has bearing in showing what a submarine can do, with a capable skipper, with audacious tactics, and a very capable hydrophone operator, thats what bearing it has.

it has bearing also, in that a submarine could track, and kill another unseen target, why ami not surprised you would deny the truth of that?

[tomoose]

"There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call.......... The Twilight Zone!"

[Rockin Robbins]

It would never occur to greyrider that when I said I put him on ignore, I did exactly that and didn't look at this thread for a week. I have a life, complete with wife, kids, three cats and a dog. Stuff happens that has nothing to do with greyrider and there's no reason to listen to him anyway.

A wise man consults with others in his search for wisdom
A fool consults only his own empty boasting

I've been consistent throughout the thread, at first giving him the benefit of the doubt and later, when there was no longer any doubt denouncing him as a buffoon and a fraud. This is not for my benefit. It is for the benefit of persons like the poster earlier who said that all this math made his head hurt and he guessed he'd never be better than using auto targeting.

The fact is it doesn't take a genius to do manual targeting. It is easy. If I teach 10 people to do it nine of them will end up shooting better than I do. I boast about the accomplishments of others who have learned that they can shoot manually using several different methods, many of which are not mine. Just about anyone can do it. If I boasted about being able to do it, that would be an empty boast because truly any reasonably average person can be a deadly manual shooter. I could care less if I can do it. I care if YOU can do it. That's the difference between me and greyrider.

The whole head in the noose thing is just bizarre, with the imaginings of some tentative feeling my way back into the thread after being shown a fraud. Whose universe did that happen in? It sure didn't happen here, that is for sure. In this thread greyrider revealed his inner character with great clarity. I don't need to describe something that is clearly revealed.

You'll note that when I delivered the clincher, a REAL technique for passive sonar targeting, which included all steps, initial acquisition to shooting with down periscope, it wasn't my own, but someone else's. I used someone else's work, clearly attributed by the way, to show the difference between instruction and fraud. People who want others to use nothing but their own techniques don't do that.

Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks is full of other people's techniques, posts and videos. Lots of the techniques I teach, like Nisgeis' vector analysis method, are not mine. I am just the cheerleader, making sure that these methods are paid the attention they deserve. I do this because I know they can make Silent Hunter more fun for other people. Greyrider talks only about his own techniques when he is not claiming that every other one is just a stolen bad copy of his own Trial and Terror method. He reveals himself as a liar and a fraud. This is not character attack. This is an empirical conclusion based on insurmountable evidence supplied by greyrider himself.

Good riddance sir, if you are really leaving. I fear that you will be back to try to mislead other players, some of which will be in danger of listening, trying your stuff unsuccessfully and leaving SH4 in frustration. I'll be here to ensure that they know the truth.

Here's my main message: Manual targeting is easily learned and easy to do. You CAN do it as well as I can. I and a dozen other people are here to fulfill that promise. If you're having a problem shooting it's not because you aren't smart, it's because we didn't make it clear enough and we'll do better! If that's egotistical, so be it but we are dedicated to making SH4 more fun and making you a better sub skipper, because it's not about us. It's about you.