Obamacare Lawsuit to be heard in my hometown this week

[Aramike]

Mookie, btw, I am trying to figure out where your disdain was for the common American voter when they voted your candidate into office...

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Mookie, btw, I am trying to figure out where your disdain was for the common American voter when they voted your candidate into office...

Dennis Kucinich wasn't elected President.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Dennis Kucinich wasn't elected President.

You would want Tiny Kucinich as President? LOL you must be kidding, that guy is one wacked out Liberal fool.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Dennis Kucinich wasn't elected President.

You know what I meant ...

...again, where was the disdain when liberals took office?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Aramike

You know what I meant ...

...again, where was the disdain when liberals took office?

I've....always thought American voters were distracted by the "ooh shiny!"? It's politics in general. You're taking it as if I'm leveling my comments at right leaning voters only. Get over that. I'm saying it applies to everyone. We as a country put more thought and emphasis into voting for the next American Idol singer than we do our elected officials.

In 2006, only 37% of voting age people voted for president. A little over 1 in 3 people thought it important that they cast their vote for the highest elected office in the land. In 2008 it was 56.8% - the highest since 1968. What does that say about us when on a good day, a little over half of us can be bothered to vote?

The 24 hour news cycle has addled our brains. 10 second sound bites and 30 second summaries of complex geopolitical and domestic issues are what's fed to us because complex and nuanced discussions are "omg soooo lame!" People can't or won't think for themselves, so issues are boiled down into black and white, us vs. them, good guys and bad guys because that's simple and that's the message they can get across in 2 minutes. And then they have to fill up the rest of the time, since they're on the air 24 hours a day. They spend time discussing what Obama's choice of beer says about him as a person. They devote entire interview segments to Bristol Palin and Levi's relationship status. You know, the hard hitting issues.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Voters in this country are apathetic and ill-informed on the issues that matter. You know it and I know it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I've....always thought American voters were distracted by the "ooh shiny!"? It's politics in general. You're taking it as if I'm leveling my comments at right leaning voters only. Get over that. I'm saying it applies to everyone. We as a country put more thought and emphasis into voting for the next American Idol singer than we do our elected officials.

In 2006, only 37% of voting age people voted for president. A little over 1 in 3 people thought it important that they cast their vote for the highest elected office in the land. In 2008 it was 56.8% - the highest since 1968. What does that say about us when on a good day, a little over half of us can be bothered to vote?

The 24 hour news cycle has addled our brains. 10 second sound bites and 30 second summaries of complex geopolitical and domestic issues are what's fed to us because complex and nuanced discussions are "omg soooo lame!" People can't or won't think for themselves, so issues are boiled down into black and white, us vs. them, good guys and bad guys because that's simple and that's the message they can get across in 2 minutes. And then they have to fill up the rest of the time, since they're on the air 24 hours a day. They spend time discussing what Obama's choice of beer says about him as a person. They devote entire interview segments to Bristol Palin and Levi's relationship status. You know, the hard hitting issues.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Voters in this country are apathetic and ill-informed on the issues that matter. You know it and I know it.

They WERE apathetic and ill informed.One thing the election of Obama and the mess we have(also thanks to Bush) has done is to awaken the sleeping giant.A lot more people are involved and informed now days and care.The results of apathy and not staying up to date on political issues is well...the election of a man like Barack Hussein Obama.

[XabbaRus]

Well you always hear the horror stories about the NHS. Usually by the people who would like to get rid of it.

And yes, you pay national insurance contributions even if you take out private health care, but then that is your choice to take out private cover. Just to clear a few things up too, over here there are a lot of things private health cover won't touch. Such as cancer treatment, terminal illnesses etc. Bascially you want something that can be treated and fixed and off you go, then sometimes private health care will maybe get it to you quicker. If you have something that they can't make a buck on and is long term and complicated, well funnily enough it is the NHS you have to go to and they probably do a better job.

You might think that is unfair but then most Brits alive and posting here were born after 1947 so have known nothing different.

What it seems with the Obamacare bill is that it is a halfway house, neither fully private nor NHS. It appeases those that want universal no payment at point of service health system but most other people will stick with their own private insurance. It has to be all or nothing, and yes if that happened then you would probably have to pay more tax.

[Bubblehead1980]

My major and first problem with Obamacare is that it is unconstitutional bc of the individual mandate.My second problem is it will hurt small businesses due to the requirement they provide health insurance to employees or face a fine.My third is will cause costs to rise due to the expansion of medicaid(bc medicaid barely pays the bills and the cost eventually gets passed along) Costs will also rise due to various taxes on medical equipment etc Fourth the cost will just add to more debt between medicaid expansion and the subsidies this will be yet another damn entitlement program we cant afford that people are on for life which is on the whole, not the American way.