Obamacare Lawsuit to be heard in my hometown this week

[Sailor Steve]

Mookie, I'll say the same thing to you that I say to anyone I hear criticizing Utah drivers: Never forget, you are one.

You are the American electorate. Some of them are, as you say, not so well informed. I actually place myself in that category. Others are very well informed indeed. But whether you are one or the other is unknowable at best. Inform yourself all you like, you have to face the possibility that you could still be wrong. And others need to face the idea that you could be right.

And it's true that the great majority don't know and don't care, but you do indeed make it sound like you know what's best for them, and they should listen only to you. As I've tried to remind others, it's how you say it that comes across.

[antikristuseke]

Stop talking sense in a political thread, you are missing the point of politics entirely!

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Mookie, I'll say the same thing to you that I say to anyone I hear criticizing Utah drivers: Never forget, you are one.

You are the American electorate. Some of them are, as you say, not so well informed. I actually place myself in that category. Others are very well informed indeed. But whether you are one or the other is unknowable at best. Inform yourself all you like, you have to face the possibility that you could still be wrong. And others need to face the idea that you could be right.

And it's true that the great majority don't know and don't care, but you do indeed make it sound like you know what's best for them, and they should listen only to you. As I've tried to remind others, it's how you say it that comes across.

To be fair it's not Mookie in particular, but rather a school of thought that pervades Dem party thinking.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

To be fair it's not Mookie in particular, but rather a school of thought that pervades Dem party thinking.

Group mentality also pervades the Right. But I only speak to individuals.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Group mentality also pervades the Right. But I only speak to individuals.

In short, birds of a feather flock together.

[antikristuseke]

And make easyer targets for shotguns to continue the analogy.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

And make easyer targets for shotguns to continue the analogy.

Actually I've used that comparison when discussing certain pundits: "He uses a shotgun to snipe at people."

[antikristuseke]

That does certainly fit what I ment to sya better than what I actually posted. 11 and a half hours at work tend to do that to my allready questionably useful brain.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Group mentality also pervades the Right.

I don't deny that but the Gop does tend to refrain from belittling the people who vote them into office. Dems would be well advised to do the same.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Mookie, I'll say the same thing to you that I say to anyone I hear criticizing Utah drivers: Never forget, you are one.

You are the American electorate. Some of them are, as you say, not so well informed. I actually place myself in that category. Others are very well informed indeed. But whether you are one or the other is unknowable at best. Inform yourself all you like, you have to face the possibility that you could still be wrong. And others need to face the idea that you could be right.

And it's true that the great majority don't know and don't care, but you do indeed make it sound like you know what's best for them, and they should listen only to you. As I've tried to remind others, it's how you say it that comes across.

Steve, as always I defer to your wisdom.

However I do take issue with one thing: "but you do indeed make it sound like you know what's best for them, and they should listen only to you." In this case, I was not arguing any side of an issue, I was making a point about the state of the average American voter. My lament is that honest and informed discussion has been replaced by polemics and ideological dogmatic talking points, fed to people by the talking heads on the TV. And I do try to consider alternative points of view - I posted a link from "The American Conservative" magazine earlier today. I was clicking through some of the articles on that site and found a lot of them surprisingly well reasoned and sound - even though I disagreed, it was very well informed commentary without the hand waving proclamations of doom about sleeper cell Manchurian Candidate presidents.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

In this case, I was not arguing any side of an issue, I was making a point about the state of the average American voter. My lament is that honest and informed discussion has been replaced by polemics and ideological dogmatic talking points, fed to people by the talking heads on the TV.

I understand, and agree. It just seemed to me that August was responding to what it sounded like. Perhaps what he read was not the way you meant it, but it did sound like that to me as well.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I understand, and agree. It just seemed to me that August was responding to what it sounded like. Perhaps what he read was not the way you meant it, but it did sound like that to me as well.

Chalk it up to me not being a very good writer.

Confronted by ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper about how Obamacare has already turned into the fiscal imbroglio Democrats denied it would be, Obama froze stiffer than Nancy Pelosi’s face on a Lake Tahoe ski lift:


“No — as I said, uh, Jacob, the — I haven’t read the entire study, uh, maybe you have. But, uh, you know, if — if you — if what the reports are true, what they’re saying is that as a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people health care, at the margins that’s gonna increase our costs, we knew that. We didn’t think that we were gonna cover 30 million people… for… free.

Actually, Mr. President, that’s. Precisely. What. You. Said. While his backtracking tends to be laughably divorced from reality, Obama’s stilted speech patterns and inexplicable “I don’t write it, I just read it” dependence on the teleprompter has actually passed funny and disembarked at creepy. I can’t help but wonder if David Axelrod is standing behind the blue curtain with a remote control.