Obama supports "Ground Zero Mosque" (of course he does)

If you cannot see why 21 pages is considered to be "longer" than let'S say 18 pages, then I cannot help it.

Errrrrr, number of pages have nothing to do with length of text.
Though I am sure that in antiquity religious scholars decided to sort scripture on the basis of how many pages it would take in a printed german translation
You lied again and were caught out again, live with it

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Errrrrr, number of pages have nothing to do with length of text.
Though I am sure that in antiquity religious scholars decided to sort scripture on the basis of how many pages it would take in a printed german translation
You lied again and were caught out again, live with it

Yep, caught out again and again. Sadly his way of dealing with that is to turn the subject personally onto me and my muslimhood (whatever the heck that means). Of course the mass volumes of text on me and my personal faith had absolutely nothing to do with the debate. Again we are confronted by another wall of text and obfuscation.

Yep, caught out again and again.

I know its so sad to see the way he carries on.
His phobia has so taken over that his mind is losing function.
I do like the way that he manages to destroy his own arguements though

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Yep, caught out again and again. Sadly his way of dealing with that is to turn the subject personally onto me and my muslimhood (whatever the heck that means). Of course the mass volumes of text on me and my personal faith had absolutely nothing to do with the debate. Again we are confronted by another wall of text and obfuscation.

Okay, let's see what I have so far: your Quran is different than the Qurans used by various authors in the field or the one that I have (all of these seem to share a certain characteristic that you deny), you ignore what I say, instead you continue to wrongly accuse me of turning personally against you, you release a personal info about yourself and then accuse others when they come back to that in an originally absolutely harmless context, you become personal yourself by now calling me a liar, and what I can see with my own eyes is just hallucination and the Western specialists of oriental studies who have written long books about the structure of the Quran and the order in which the suras are presented, in general presented in sequence of declining length, all have gotten it wrong since several generations, since they all used to read forged or manipulated Qurans.

That you now even think it is a clever idea to line up with the board'S most prominent and probably most often ignored troll, is just the cream on the cake.

You might be irritated, but I still trust my eyes more than I would trust you, and I also trust more those authors studying an object on basis of western academic tradition, than voices that are in - necessarily biased - defence of said object because they have chosen to submit to it. Yes, your choice and your "Muslimhood" has something to it, even if you claim you cannot see it. Opportunistically selective perception, maybe?

Before typing this, I once again googled a bit on the original issue - and again only found references, links, blogs, book quotes, speeches or whatever it was that all agree on what I say, what I see with my eyes, and what is printed in the books I know as well: that in general the suras are given in sequence of declining length from beginning to end, with the first sura being mentioned as the prominent exception (it is not even one full page).

Suras' length is so much more important than what they say. Bean counting.

I used to think of you as a reasonable guy over the past years, but maybe I overestimated you, or you have changed. And this now is - finally, because you accused me of that so repeatedly - indeed a personally aimed statement, so you can enjoy that I finally fulfill your advanced expectation. Waiting so long should be rewarded, i think.

This debate is absurd, and about nothing important at all, sura length is nothing I see as overly important, this has become about you being snapped over something that you see as somehow personally offending although it is basing on something you have released to the wide public yourself, and when I defend myself against your false accusations, then you call it a wall of text and claim it is non-relevant. Well, this scheme of behavior reminds me of unpleasant experiences I have had with certain people in real life, or read about in the media almost every day.

So the only reasonable consequence at this state of things can be this: bye.

[Konovalov]

More of the same old dross.

That you now even think it is a clever idea to line up with the board'S most prominent and probably most often ignored troll, is just the cream on the cake.

Which doesn't cjhange the fact that you are repeatedly caught out lying
Isn't it amazing that Sky has twice tried to alter his claim to make it more trueish, yet still managed to only make two more false claims on top of his original lie but ridiculously claims that his lies are correct.

You might be irritated, but I still trust my eyes more than I would trust you, and I also trust more those authors studying an object on basis of western academic tradition

errrrrr....your "academic" source was a loony blog about the end of the world and the urgent need to convert jews to jesus

So the only reasonable consequence at this state of things can be this: bye.

Is that a slightly more legible version of the rant Dimitrius07 has been using of late?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that a slightly more legible version of the rant Dimitrius07 has been using of late?

Why dont you come up with some respectfull opinion yourself.
Somthing Sailor Steve style.
Lets asume that islam is not evill and can coexist peacfully.Still the extremist are the most influential ones and most voiced type of religus leaders.
I see the ones that talk jihad and those that just dont and they do it freely in the name of free speech and liberty.
Where are all those great INFLUENCIAL leaders who preach for peace and tolerance?

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You might be irritated, but I still trust my eyes more than I would trust you

Quoting for the next time you try to tell me how things are in my own country based on a Speigel article.